thanks for the tips mindcandyman, I will try do to just what you said, and I will take time to do it, to do it properly.
I've tried to find a good book about drawing today, but without success.
Here is the tree I do with pencil. It looks better than that color one, I've tried too fast to use colors.
very brave of you! if you keep it up, your effort will pay off i promise you! good study on form, follow me to the shading just above your lips .. that little bump of skin where your lips meet your skin .. not that lips arent skin .. well you know, look at how wonderful that looks! great display of good shading! the same quality in the valleys created from the masses in your cheeks that run to the folds of your nose. i think you should try another self portrait and concentrate more on what you look like - try not to worry about the outcome, dont even look at the paper if you dont want to there is no need. but when doing this also try this! - try not to use contour lines or sharp lines - instead try shading the entire subject light to lighter so on to dark. just like with the shading of the more realistic areas of your portrait where there is not hard line defining where your gradent starts and begins. i think it might help and if you want give it a try; communicate the form by shades without lines.
great to see a new aspiring artist! i personally like your color one better and feel you used color really well. i think you should try what mindcandyman has done in which he practiced with drawing objects from life and tried his best to communicate them onto his paper as best he could.
also give a stab at a "gekitsu cube".
Jonathan, that's gotta be the best first self portrait I've ever seen. You have the knack; just keep practicing...
The best art teacher I ever had told me that the keys to getting a good likeness in a (self-) portrait are the eyes and mouth. If you get the shape of them right, you can mess up a lot of other stuff and the portrait will still look like the model to a casual observer. I don't know what you look like, but I get the feeling the eyes and mouth in this piece are correct. So good work!
The only other thing I can tell you that might help is try to avoid drawing individual hairs or eyebrows. It's difficult, but try to draw hair as you would any other form, with light and dark areas, and hint at its texture rather than drawing each hair.
Hey Everyone...gotta do this quick...this is my latest self portrait...I will post number 2 and 3 tomorrow...but this was done in painter and I don't have a scanner to post the other ones. So here is number 4...I will be posting in reverse tomorrow with numbers 2 and 3 hehe...kind of weird but oh well hehe.
cmortier - nice...I like the tree...definitely showed you had an understanding of the light source and shading. Keep going...draw draw draw every day. That's the way to get better right!
noon:30 - Thanks for the encouragement. I'm glad to know that I seem to have some natural talent...I would hate to be wasting my time hehe. Thanks again for all your help...don't worry I don't plan on stopping any time soon hehe.
Well here is my latest self portrait. This is number 4...tell me what you think. My wife came in and said, "Wow that's funny...that looks a lot like you"...so I guess I am getting closer. Is it just me or am I the only one posting Self portraits that has glasses???? The right eye is really unproportionate but hey...you win some and you lose some right?...I'll get em next time.
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killing.people: I will do that, draw from real life object, and start studying perspective. I think I will wait a little that my drawing skills become better before painting in color again...
Mindcandyman: I've drawed during my meeting this morning, an apple and other little stuff, but because I have not scanner, I can't show you what I've done. Anyway, I wait for your 2 others self portrait, perhaps you can post a picture of you, so we can compare. The 2 you've posted have the same shape, so I think that you've done them pretty well. :clapping2
I am gonna leave my previous post up a bit longer but these are actually the self portraits that I did "before" I did that one. I did 3 self portraits yesterday so these were are number 2 and 3 respectively. The first one was done all in charcoal. I limited myself on the last one to 2 minutes with three different colors of pastels. Lemme know what you think:
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It is very late for me right now and I am very angry. I can't draw myself worth crap. I am gonna try to go to bed but I don't think I will be able to sleep. ARrrrrrrrhghhhhhhhhhghghghghgh...:mad: :confused: :bash: :hothead: :rant: :crazy:
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Dude this is seriously the most inspiring enthusiastic thing that I think I've ever encountered short of Andrew's all-out quest for the self-portrait - I've never had any formal training either and most of my art has been very comic-booky, if that makes sense (short of some poor Bateman imitations in High School). Seeing your work and your progress and sheer dedication to the basics and the fundamentals (which are everything!!!) is outstanding and - well, i don't know what else to call it except inspiring. I hope that in a few weeks i have the courage to post what will be my first meager attempts at digital painting - thank you.
Adam: Thanks for saying that man. I am starting to get out of the honeymoon phase and starting to get down to it and at times (like last night) I am sure it is going to get really frustrating. But I am going to just keep going! I am not giving myself another option...I will not give up on this. Adam please feel free to post what you do here in this thread. I know cmortier2000 has posted his stuff and you are welcome to post your stuff. I would love to see your work man. We can help each other and give criticism where it's needed. Any attempt isn't meager...it's a step away from mediocrity. And you and I are at the bottom of a tower with a whole mess of steps. But take it a day at a time. And when 20 years from now rolls around we will be saying...hey I have been drawing and painting for 20 years? Wow! And we will be good by then! Probably even before then. Definitely post your stuff up here bro.
I'm doing much better this morning than I was last night...I wanted to smash my wacom but my wallet definitely got the best of me hehehe. I drew this on the train on my way to work this morning. It was with a ball point pen and was done in about 5 minutes...it's better than the first hand that I sketched so I am glad about that...but I am still not happy with the results. I felt bad just posting that angry half made self portrait hehe. So here it is:
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Here is my last painting, I finally think that digital painting is easier than on paper drawing...
It's an apple for those that can't say if it's an apple or a tomato
MindCandyMan : You are better now as I see on your last drawing, forget about that nightmare night, I'm with you.:cool:
Hey cmortier...did you use a tutorial for this? I made an apple a little while ago using a tutorial from www.seegmillerart.com . At any rate this apple is AWESOME. Wow I must say that scrolling up and looking at your trees and then scrolling down to this shows HUGE improvement. That is totally awesome man! Wow I was floored when I saw this. Great job man. You are improving quickly! Paint some more stuff so I can see it! Hey let's both paint apples tonight in 2 different sets of lighting. Pick 2 different sets of lighting and we will both come back tomorrow with 2 different scenarios for an apple. If you have the time that is...
The only thing I would say is watch the shape of the apple...apples really aren't round...they have a weird shape and are bumpy, etc... Also paint over that black line that you used to sketch it. You don't want to see any explicit outlines of it when you are painting. Let the shading that you use create the lines. Wow great job. If you are using Painter...try using the "just add water" tool to smooth over the tones...that will create a nice transition from light to dark.
:shocked: :rock: :clapping2 :clapping1 :bigeyes: :btu: :blue:
Actually, I have read a very good tutorial on painter Classic this morning, and then tonight I wanted to do a test, I will try follow it more seriously next time... but this time, it was only by remembering a picture I saw in this tutorial. I will try to find it...
Here is the link if you are interested, the picture I remembered for this painting is on the last page of lesson 3.
Anyway, for the apple study, lets do it, but give me more time (2 or 3 days), I just come back from a long working session and I'm very tired.
PS, thnaks for the tips, I will use them for the 2 following apple paintings
phew - i'm kind of excited, feels like the first step out into a freaky new world I made myself draw for 30 minutes last night (even though it was already 4am) and i sketched for 30 minutes again today and then took 20 minutes to take a swing at digital painting, based on some of the links i found around here - here it is. Please, BE HARSH, i'm trying as hard as I can to learn this stuff as fast as I can so please let me know all the stuff i'm doin wrong thanks!!!
hehe - forgot the picture
ADAM - WOW HOLY COW!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME...JUST STARTING? WOW...I am really impressed. The human form is one of the hardest things to do and I think you have captured the muscle structure of this headless guy really well. Wow for your first attempts this is amazing. Really good. Here are the things that I think need improvement. The bicep on the right side of the picture is too small...it starts it's connection to the elbow too early. The brown hues were used very well in my opinion...but I think the white highlights were a little too hard edge. I would have liked to see you use the "just add water" tool or the airbrush to get those highlights a little more smooth. The highlights on the throat and neck area don't look quite right. The abdomen looks pretty good man. Wow I am really impressed...great job man.
cmortier - yeah don't sweat it...you can post whenever you want...I started my apples last night but you can just post whenever you are able. Don't you wish we didn't have to work and we could just paint all day!
Well I hate having to post after Adam's...heheh...but here are my paintings from last night. The first is of an apple:
This second one was a really quick self portrait that I did...I wanted to just do it really quickly and with a wide chalk tool so I couldn't really go for much detail. It doesn't look anything like me and I really don't like the final look at all. But it was fun so hey...why not right? hehe.
Oh I painted this bottle like a week and a half ago. It took me about 15 min...thought it would be interesting to post as well.
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wow! thanks mcm - i've been drawing for a long time but you know copying comic books and comic-book style art will only get you so far - i have that experience to work from but going beyond it feels like a real pilgrimage - it's really exciting! I've never tried really painting before, so this is a really fun thing to start playing with
PS - the shading on your apple is totally stellar - the shadow could use some work, but the apple itself is very natural, you should be VERY happy with it!!
Adam: I can't wait to see more of your stuff. Thanks for the comments about the apple too...I liked the way the shading went as well...I used the "just add water" tool primarily.
This first portrait I cheated on hehe. I wanted to get an idea of shading and how light reacts to my particular facial features (I am doing self portraits lately) so I took a digital photograph of myself and turned the contrast way up so I could see the distinct differences in the way the light was hitting my face. I put that on a seperate layer and lowered the opacity and then I blocked in all the dark/light areas. This is what I came up with. This looks more like me than the other self portraits I have done...obviously right...hehe. But seriously this exercise really helped me a whole bunch. There were some problems that really got solved "in my head" through doing that. I would recommend doing it. It really helped me. Here it is:
I tried to take that knowledge and apply it to this second self portrait....the eyes started to look bad so I just got really close to the mirror and started messing around with it. It ended up really weird...my wife actually said she was scared of it heheh. Man I really stink at drawing ears...and everything else haha...oh well. I will get better!!!!! Here it is:
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Ok, here is my second apple study. Again, without reference, so probably wrong shape...
I will post the third study tomorrow.
Mindcandyman - Your apple is great, did you use the tutorials ?
Adam - Your torso is simply amazing, great work !
cmortier - I see a huge improvement in your rendering of the apples. Wow great job. Try this when you do them next time. Try making your contrast of colors even stronger...Make the darks even darker...the lights even lighter and keep the midtones the same and use the "just add water" tool to blend it all. Try that...you will like the results...gives it a more 3d look.
I was up till 2:30 last night...my wife comes in at 2:30 and says, "It's 2:30"...I had absolutely no concept of time. I was having a blast. Note to self: Don't do this every night...hehe
Here's the stuff I did last night.
This is a robot I did cause I got inspired by the quick painting thread (with the robot theme)...I saved 3 steps in the process...here they are:
Self Portrait from last night:
Proportion study from last night...I tried to utilize some techniques that Loomis talks about in his book "Drawing the head and the hands"...so here they are:
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Wow Mindcandyman, I see also a big improvement in your drawings, this robot is absolutly awasome
I will try this weekend to do also a robot, just to see my level. Patience is the key I think, It will take less and less time to do the same thing...
Thanks cmortier...yeah I was having so much fun painting that robot that I just couldn't go to bed hehe. Here are some close ups if you are curious...I see a lot of the other guys do this so it might be interesting. I can't wait to see your robot! I can see a MASSIVE improvement in the first tree painting you did to this last apple one. Keep going you are doing great. We will both move forward together! :cool: Thanks for the encouragement! Here are the close ups
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Here is the robot I've done this morning for the robot speed paint. It has take 30 minutes , It's not finished, but 30 min was my limit before I stop , but I'm very happy with the result, only 30 minutes and I've got that already, I don't beleive it :confused: Speed painting make you do the stuff faster, and you learn so much more than if you take your time I believe. Anyway, I've learn that during this session : Always make the background first, then the sketch, then draw the front subject. (And not the sketch then the front subject, then background...)
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cmortier - Wow that's pretty good man...keep it up...good job! Check out the post that oblio started...jon foster replied to it in there and added a lot of extra instruction to what Jason Manley had originally posted. I am going to be trying out those techniques tonight for sure. Back to creating spheres heheh...the basics are everything though.
At any rate here is the weekend stuff.
This is a wizard's altar that I might try to paint if I have the ability...there is more to the room but I couldn't fit it on the scanner:
This is more of my head study...still not getting it right but I will keep trying.
This is a robot that turned out REALLY BAD...OUCH...THIS ONE STINKS
Here are some other things from this weekend:
These next three were really quick pastel studies...like 2 - 3 minutes each...the last one is not of me but I just was having fun drawing a nameless man.
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Mind i am amazed by your efforts. These are very nice.
Yet.. you HAVE to work on your proportions and to clean up a bit.
Try this: SIMPLIFY FORM. Try a lowpoly approach.
Use a marker and fo outline - think twice before putting a line on the paper.
Drawing is LOGIC - you have done one eye - then draw two lines to se where that other eye goes. Use the reflection of yourself only as a reference. Try to understand the form - split it in cubes, cilinders, etc - primitives.
If you realy have to hatch - quit those vertical lines - the lines should work around the shape. Draw a sphere and do vertical lines hatch - then do hatch with lines going around.
Both ways are fine but the seccond reveals form better!
I hope you get this as a kind advice since this is all it is. Yours,
I appreciate the encouragement. You are dead on about my proportions. I am having such a hard time with them. I think you are right about just taking a mathematical approach to it. Maybe I should just do a bunch with just a sharpee pen or something. I think it will help me when I actually study the anatomy of the face as well. I will try that tonight as well. Question: What do you draw first...do you draw your eyes first...head...etc? Do you think that makes a difference? :confused:
I am having problems with my proportions in my self portraits...can anyone offer an effective way to measure(map out) the face for when I do my self portraits. I am having such a hard time.
This first one is a study of light and the different shades it creates...trying to learn from a post that foster did in the SCHOOLYARD section...tell me what you guys think...just spheres in different lighting.
This is my latest self portrait...as you can see I am having problems with proportions...so I wrote on the "chalkboard"...not to have bad proportions hehe.
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Hey all. I was out of town for a few days, which is why I haven't been posting.
Jonathan, you may not see it, but you really are getting better by the day.
Stick with those anatomy books. Keep working on the proportions, and don't get discouraged that you don't get everything correct right away. No one does. I guarantee even the pros on this board who have been drawing for 20 years still work on their anatomy/proportions from time to time. It really is a lifelong process, and not something you learn all at once and then never have to worry about again. (And believe me, I remind myself of this all the time whenever I'm struggling with drawing anatomy.)
I really liked the portrait you said you "cheated" on with the digital photograph. The final piece looks very Van Gogh-esque. That's a big compliment coming from me. And that wizard's altar was sweet.
You asked what order we drew facial features in. I can't speak for everyone else, but I think you'll be pleased with the results if you try this: Rather than drawing an eye completely and then moving on to the nose and so on, try sketching out the basic forms of the whole portrait very lightly right at the start. It's much easier to correct obvious errors in proportion at this preliminary stage.
Once you think things are laid out basically correctly, then go back in with heavier, more permanent lines and do your rendering. I guess some people do one sketching pass and one final rendering pass. I usually do a sketch, a correcting sketching pass if need be, and then at least two rendering passes. This approach helps me to apply detail only where it's really helpful to the whole piece, rather than obsessing over every square inch.