controvesy, is it art?
Personally I hate this sort of "art" (no offence, naturally) but tell me, is there demand for work like this in the market these days? I thought modernism had run it's course.
i dont exactly understand what your question is...
id say lots of artist dont earn alot of money...
what dont you like about it?
its too easy and simple probably...
and if you want to know if its art...
you have to understand what art is about
im not really into modernism though...
which really is a coincidence...
its just not the time
thx for passing by
Last edited by senbdoij; March 20th, 2006 at 12:09 PM.
you're not into modernism but your work is classic moderist primitivism? you're not making much sense here, brother
Basically, your sort of art was pretty popular in the 60's I'm simply asking if there is a market for this today. You know, how much of your work do you sell and for how much?
AAhhaha I could crit the hell out of it BUT I'll leave that up to the next member who passes by. See ya round, brother.
weirdest conversation ever O_o. I dont mind it... bit of a graf influence? Maybe not from writing but from observing? This stuff is definately marketable and not overly simple... it would suit interior decoration, and would be decent in a graphic design application... yeh not bad. I would say tho, that if your going to include figurative stuff (the faces and the monk) that they should be realistic, overly stylised, or not included. At the moment they look like an attempt at realism that has fallen a bit short.
hmm the only ones that appeal to me are the two skelly-like faces made on cardboard, i like those lines and the way they spiral off at the corners. your last two have nice coloring, and i think the monk looks ok. do you have any more stuff you could show?
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Sketchbook, click it or you'll hear from me 'till who laid the rails!
I quite like your work, it's very refreshing. It's good to get a variety of stuff on these forums, which is one of the reasons I still feel excited coming here.
Personally I quite like everything except the faces pieces, at which point I would agree with Form on his crit for those. Nice stuff though, keep it up!
Pencils before Pixels....in theory..
savii - the sketchbook
I love how people like Ned call anything that they can't fit into their narrow minded view of what art is supose to be "modernist". Personally, this work isn't exactly to my taste either, but I would rather keep seeing posts that are different and fresh then keep on seeing gun weilding girls with big tits.
keep it up.
form: wow what makes you say that
number6: if i could sell, i would dont worry...
i think my stuff is more conceptual then concept art
thx for the feedback boiz,
ill try to get ya some moe
for the attempt at hu8man caracter:
i wanted the monk to be more realistic and then gave up and did the diptic
i really cant do realism... im more into anime
i only did the busts because im unable at the moment to do more than that... or am i...
i just wanted it to be quick
and they were kinda intentionnaly made unrealistic... i gave them some gestuality and stuff
some spatula coloring
Last edited by senbdoij; May 3rd, 2006 at 12:08 AM.
please do you have names or picture you can link me up...
the word modernism is so vague...
edit: after little research, if you think of modernism as a specific style... you got it all wrong...
modernism is about disruptive techniques and stuff...
from manet to christo?
maybe the mid50s stuff?
geometrical shapes, etc... its kinda obvious, my stuff is way more intuitive than that
and for the sake of spamming(i spam)
Last edited by senbdoij; March 20th, 2006 at 12:35 PM.
I can't draw realistic and refuse to make an effort getting better...
really what do you call realism?
i was speaking about hyper realism
i can draw realisticaly...
and im not so sure about the validity of the argument...
id say most artist dont earn money BECAUSE they are too much traditionnal
you have to look at tousands of years of art man...
learning to draw is easy... coming up with disruptive ideas is another thing...
you come up with very controversial ideas...
you just know this has nothing in its core yet you say it...I'm sorry that I'm the type of person that think art should be pretty to look at
im going to say tastes are subjective...
BUT i agree that people shouldnt give up on trying to become better..
that probably the only statement we have in common
Last edited by senbdoij; March 20th, 2006 at 12:53 PM.
I dig this stuff. You have some cool things going on, and the cardboard is a plus, reminds me of art school. I use to use it all the time, I was too poor to afford matt board in school, so I'd get boxes from Sears. It's actually an intersting medium, especially when you get cool grease stains, and find ways to use them in your piece.
Remember to be true to what you enjoy. If a market's not there, create one. Find a place it will fit. I can easily see this work on albums, books and the like.
Personally, http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5...hdutsiz7sj.jpg, is my fav piece. Nice stuff, welcome to the forums.
i find this stuff very interesting, and infinitely more interesting than anything i've seen from ned or arumeo.
seriously you guys take your heads out your asses and shut the fuck up.
senbdoij, please ignore these guys, don't let it put you off posting more of your stuff here.
i look forward to seeing more
Your stuff is more initiative?
Could you explain that? Im currently on a crusade to understand the modern arts. A huge book I purchased on Picasso is helping, could you offer me any further insight with respect to what you are posting here?
dougbot: thx plenty.. fortunately for us, "matt board" is free here
anyhow thanx plenty
cartoonfox: thx boy be sure to be here next update
k4pka:i meant intuitive, you know unconscious or not predetermined...
that doesnt mean "modern" art is about that.. partly though
else than that youll have to help me help you
sorry for double post
Last edited by senbdoij; May 6th, 2006 at 01:44 AM.
I can see to some degree the argument "but will it sell" here because this forum is mainly for concept art which is usually in the service of creating some kind of entertainment property - but on the other hand, I find it ridiculous to judge it based merely on that.
I usually really dislike abstraction just for abstraction's sake but these have a quirkiness that makes them different to me than that of a lot of modernist copyists. They have spatial sophistication and a purposefulness that the majority of pseudo-modernist things really don't. And I agree - they are definitely fresher than picture 10,849 of a gun-toting, silicone babe.
I like 'em!
I'm with savii here. When I went to the Pixar show at The Museum of Modern Art in NYC, the concept art they presented did not always fit the stereotype of realism most represented on conceptart.org. There were many pieces that were quite abstract and even a few mixed media pieces that were made from collage & paint. I would much rather see work that has interesting and original ideas from time to time rather than a steady diet of creatures with tentacled faces and close-up paintings of open wounds with intestines spilling out. I think a lot of senbdoij's work is unique and original.Originally Posted by savii
Art Direction & Design
and I also agree, I mean does everything have to be completly realistic to be liked? No, just because this person is into a different style doesn't mean it's not art, I do think they should explain thier pieces, because it is easy to just put stuff randomly and call it art which in that case sometimes isn't art, but if you have a reason or a thought to it, it is more apt to be more seen as art. yea...sorry for babbling. I like your art though, especially the black and white pieces and the last few pieces, I like the style of it and design makes it very interesting to look at and I found that I probaly spent more time thinking and looking at your art than I have as mentioned previously with other peopels art here.
Simple answer, yes. You can only go so far with modernist art before the attraction of shock value starts to wear off. There isn't any composition or structure holding this work together.Originally Posted by Nightspiritwing
EDIT; I probably shouldn't be bashing this so much. This is about his work not my opinions. Although! I think I might start a modernism vs realism thread in the lounge to put gasoline on the fire!
even though your not really bashing my stuff,
your saying figuration is better than abstraction?
huh... you seem to have alot of confidence...
maybe we will one day understand each others...
after i demonstrate every little flaws in your theories...
edit: or am i...
Last edited by senbdoij; March 21st, 2006 at 04:02 AM.
lets debate it in the lounge then. If you dare..
Originally Posted by cartoonfox
You're right. I did become a party pooper --therefore I deleted my posts.
However I never told him to fuck off from the forums and never post again, which is what cartoonfox seems to think.. judging by his reaction.
The atmosphere on these forums are excellent. It's a very good creative environment. I realize posts such as the ones I made do not contribute to that at all, and for that I'm sorry.
I still want to speak up about the style senbdoij uses, though --gonna use different words:
How can we critique this artform? I like to give critique to faults in someones drawings to help them get better.
I'm guessing this form of art can either only be critiqued by folks doing the same type of art, or not at all.
All that is left for people to say is "hey, interesting art!"... which I guess is ok, but I believe it almost defeats the purpose of posting on these forums.
I see Conceptart.org as an artclass. An artclass where all the students walk around and look at eachothers works saying "neat! but maybe you should have done it different with that arm" or "maybe you should study anatomy of the pinky finger a little more"...
I'm not trying to be an ass, so stop assaulting me like that --I never meant for my posts to become an attack on the person that is senbdoij.
Ofcourse I could always "shut the fuck up", but I'm not that passive.
I just gave the only critique I could.
Last edited by arumeo; March 21st, 2006 at 07:21 AM.