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This is a work done for school. I researched and tried to be as historically correct as possible concerning the armor and setting. I would appreciate any and all c&c's. Let me know what is wrong with it. Do not worry about hurting my feelings because you wont, canít get better if I do not learn, just donít be rude. Thanks.
Here are the reference images.
Yep, that is troubling me to,do you think that if i scale the soldiers down that would help?im some what at a crossroads here in that im not sure what would be the better solution.
1.scale soldiers down
2.scale david and soldiers done
3.scale soldiers down add more canvas and scale Goliath up.
any thouhts would be great.
I think extending the canvas down would work best, I will try that and repost.thanks.what do you think about the design of the soldiers on the rocks?
Good. Ancient and functional, though I forget what civilization they're supposed to represent... someone didn't pay much attention in catholic school.Originally Posted by BRAIN-GEARI think extending the canvas down would work best, I will try that and repost.thanks.what do you think about the design of the soldiers on the rocks?
I like Goliath only being...10, 12 feet high, as he supposedly was, right? He needs to be..wider, though. Looks too skinny to really be imposing at the moment. And yeah, that stuff the other guys said. ;D
David=The Israelites (decended from Shem,Noah's son) while under the reign of thier 1st king Saul and is also considered a forshadowing of Jesus Christ.Originally Posted by RhinevilleGood. Ancient and functional, though I forget what civilization they're supposed to represent... someone didn't pay much attention in catholic school.
Golitah=Philistines,which are decended from Ham,(Noahs other son).
Yeah i looked at a lot of books on ancient armor and biblical archeaology.
It is estimated that he was around 9-13 feet tall, most scholars belive that he was about 9ft, i tried to scale him around 9.5 feet and david about 5.7 feetOriginally Posted by SnugglesI like Goliath only being...10, 12 feet high, as he supposedly was, right?
I like the concept. I think the composition needs alot of work. I like Davids pose alot, not sold on Goliaths yet, but its def. workable. Looks like hes doing the "Whassup?!". For starters, the eye level doesn't look good. Instead of emphiszing Goliaths size and making him foreboding, its giving you a near birds eye view of the scene. Also, the perfect square of the page I find distracting and also makes everything look squeezed together, I usually try and stay away from these. Try and space out the elements alittle more. Also, the armor of G. looks more akin to a superhero rather then a ancient military. Usually it wasn't so tight fitting, this also makes him appear slimmer and less threatening. A close friend of mine has a sketch of David and Goliath which I would like to post if you don;t mind to give you a better idea of what I mean. I don't wanna hijack your thread, but I think you would find it helpful. (I'll ask him just incase.)
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I agree with the Whassup thing,but in diffence of that pose in the story Goliath was taunting the Isralite army.As for the compostion I thought it may have been a good idea to give a sense of compactness for the sake of the action and forcing the viewer to respond immeditaly to what was happenig, have a better idea let me know.
Goliths armour may be to tight, but overall I dont think it is to super hero looking and no i would not mind if you posted your friends work, it never hurts to see how other artist have solved problems.
Couldn't get ahold of my buddy to get his piece, but here are a couple I might use for inspiration. Anyway, I wasn't trying to be overly critical, hope I didn't come off that way. Hope these help...
(these were found doing a google search. Not sure who the artist are.)
I still think this David is a little too big, if Goliath is 12 ft tall then David must be at least 7ft.
Last edited by Scubasteve; June 2nd, 2006 at 04:54 PM.
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[QUOTE=Scubasteve]Couldn't get ahold of my buddy to get his piece, but here are a couple I might use for inspiration. Anyway, I wasn't trying to be overly critical, hope I didn't come off that way. Hope these help...
No your fine man, yeah i saw the drawing one before and actually used that for refernce for davids clothing.The other one i have not seen before, but i like the scale though.Thanks.
Thanks i will keep that in mind.Originally Posted by WishesI think he also looks bigger, because you made his shade go over the stone. That implies that the rock is small instead of big and far away. Don't forget to have a look at that when you change it
Hope I helped!
I think what might be wrong with the perspective is that in terms of relative size, the soldiers should be as far behind Goliath as David is in front of him. But where they're positioned, if they were standing on the ground they would be pretty close to G-man... makes them look too small.
Still there are few pretty simple things you can do to help. First, consider re-positioning Goliath's hand so that it is clearly in front of the soldiers. That will help reinforce the space relation you're going for. Second, the soldiers are standing on a platform ABOVE the horizon line. Therefore the top of that platform should not be visible (unless it's slanted) and the soldiers' feet should be blocked by the front of the platform.
Also, consider moving the bottom of the soldiers' rock up a bit... that will move the whole thing back in space. And, adding a little atmospheric perspective to the ground (lightening & desaturating the ground color as it approaches the horizon) should make the overall arrangement feel more realistic.
Thanks alot CCThrom, that helps out a lot.Yeah i was kinda wondering about the accuracy of the perspective. When other people started qing it that confirmend my q's about it.Thanks for taking the time to critique and thanks to everyone else to.It may be while because of work and life in gen before i get to repost.