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what the! i totally thought i replied to your allergies post, that was great btw. good proportions and you can see the planes of the face. and i love the way you tried to tell a story or give an idea with it instead of just making an sp. the bridgman studies are good. your nieces though, you gotta pay more attention to what you're drawing. look look draw. you're drawing from your head from what you know. not taking what you see. hey nice portfolio. if i got all my stuff together i don't think i would have one finished or finishable picture. hah.
well, you're doing great! keep pluggin. and have fun in montreal. you're gonna love it.
Cool man, gotta love the panic of trying to get portfolio pieces together, I'm doin the same thing myself as I'm going down to Sarasota next weekend to visit the Illustration Academy for a coupla days. Gotta come up with somethin to show I haven't been a total lazy ass over the last year. Gets the juices a flowin fer shur.
The WOW and Robot pieces definately benefited from the retouches, I might even see the WOW piece go a little darker to highlight the faces, minor quibble tho.
I definately agree that the allergy SP could go in the portfolio, maybe just laying in some tone or color to the background to make it feel more of a finished piece. I dunno.
Planning on any retouches for the others? I think your avatar peice was definatley ready to go, as is.
I'm sure you're gonna have a helluva time at the WS, gonna have to give a full report. Wish I could go!
Hey KC, solid work, can i suggest some changes to backup?
Well i'm going to, he he, you don't have to read them..
-Firstly the strip in the background i'd extend all the way to the top of the frame, that gap of white makes it look a bit awkward.
-The biscep placement on his right arm is all one mass, and shouldn't be so long. Have a quick look at your arm in the mirror. It also shouldn't come out further than the forearm at that angle. The muscle itself is further over the the viewer.
-The pouches should all be in the same perspective, just check the bottom and top lines are paralel, that should short it.
-Cast shadows from those pouches onto each other could be really cool.
-The hammer head is out of perspective from the rest of the piece.
Just stuff to consider to make it a stronger piece.
Sweet work man, i wana see some SB pages coming back.
Keep it coming.
Looking good man. I like your fish logo. Really nice stuff. Keep it up and good luck on the trip
I would say your style is amazing, but it isnt, you are. You have mastered it would seem many various styles and you do them all very well. Very impressive sketchbook and amazing work. You are truly a scholar of art and well on his way to be a master.
"KEEEE-YYYAAAAAAHHHHHH B!TCH!!!!" - Ed Wuncler III, The Boondocks
pennington Ha-ha! I do that all the time! I think I mean to comment, but don't have time, and mean to get back to it later... Then when I'm reading the responses I'm like "Hey! Why didn't they respond to me?" Ha-ha! Thanks for the comments on the Allergies SP... Hopefully it's the first in a series of more conceptual SP's. You're totally, absolutely right about the drawings of my nieces... Actually, I knew you were going to say that before I even posted it (which should've been enough incentive to actually fix it...). Thanks for calling me out on that, man! I'll put more efort into getting it right next time... I'm actually kind of embarrassed about those (and rightfully so) and I think for that, they've been a good learning experience.
SirGreenSock Thanks for the support man! It was great meeting you in YUL, we'll have to do it again sometime!
that fisticuffs guy ...I got the portfolio book done at about two in the morning, the day I was leaving. I had to be at the airport by four, so I was cutting it a little close! Ha-ha! It was really an emotional rollercoaster... that book. Basically, when I got it done, I was really happy with it... really proud of the work I'd done. When I got to the WS, and saw what all was out there I was more like "Holy crap! My portfolio blows!" Ha-ha! Up and down, it was really frustrating, but really kind of eye opening too... I knew that I wasn't "ready" to really compete in the market when I went into this, but somehow I fooled myself into thinking I could. I was trying to artificially bump forward my deadline... I have a lot more work to do. The portfolio book did come out really nice by the way, and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything.
Badger Thanks for the comments badgerman! You're right on all those points for that piece... for every strength it has, it has a weakness too. Ha-ha! One of the comments I got on it at the WS is that the mouth is too close to the side of his face, and is very dark. It's also lined up with the handle, so at even a short distance, it blends more with the hammer handle, and messes with the overlapping of shapes... I have soo much to work on. As always man, thanks for the comments and crits, they really help me to get better!
ATLAS2900 Hey man! Thanks for stoppin' in. Sorry I couldn't make the party yesterday... I'll try to call you soon. Happy fathers day by the way!
this1 Thanks man! You're really too kind... I have sooo much to do, so much work.
Okay, so I'm back from the workshop (actually, I've been back for a few days, but have been spending some time with my wife, so it took awhile to get this monster update done) and have some new focus, and direction. The workshop was great, by the way. I learned a lot, and got a lot of new ideas of ways to work. I feel like I need to basically start over... There's just soo much stuff I haven't been doing that I need to be so there's that.
More life drawing. Still lifes. Composition... background and multiple character interaction. Form. Anatomy... life drawing is okay, I can draw how it looks if I can see it, but drop the ball when I try to make it up. This is the stuff that I'm beginning to work on, beyond the more confident line drawings. By that, I mean that I'm working on not "searching" for my lines so much. I talked to Arghmisfit a lot this week about drawing from life, and drawing from memory, and I plan on working on that as well. It sounds like a lot, but it's all important.
Okay... so here's the new work!
This first one is a drawing I did of Hpslashluvr at a bar on our first night in Montreal... it was great hangin' out with her and Dirty-C that night! I showed this drawing to that fat kid, and he said that he thinks my materials are holding me back. I draw with a lot of crappy pens and what not... It's definately something to think about. I talked to ZebsFree later in the week, and he said that I should drop the pens completely, and start working in pencil or charcoal... Thinking about it, that makes sense. I need to learn how form actually works, before I can translate that into other media.
Some drawings of African sculptures I did at the art museum. A lot of interesting stuff there... Another thing to do. Start going to the art museum (and galleries/shows in general). I didn't realize how much of a vacuum I'd put myself in!
A drawing I did of Tex at dinner the second night, as well as some drawings I did based on the demo that Dan Milligan was doing. Dan's a great and informative speaker by the way... if you ever get the chance to see or speak with him, totally do it!
Some one minute gestures from life. The models were for the most part just wonderful.
A really bad drawing of SirGreenSock. Ha-ha! This drawing actually started a conversation with Arghmisfit about drawing from life (thanks joel!) that I found really helpful and informative. What he said is that... okay, first off, I'm wasting a lot of time and effort "searching" for my lines, and that's not really helping with the form, or recognizability of my subject. He said that when drawing from life, that you need to be working on multiple images at once. You start a picture of the person in one position, and then when they move, you start a new one in that position. People are repetitive creatures, and will go back to the original position eventually, because most people do a handfull of "poses" over and over. So... instead of searching, and adjusting, and ultimately losing the form of what you're doing, work in sections as they move to and from different poses. Did that make sense?
First day doodles while waiting at the airport, and then later when hanging out in the common room at the hostel. There's a drawing of Zebs here, but mostly it's nothing worth while.
Some one minute gestures I did from Guggenmaneuvers photo ref on his computer... he has it set up on a one minute slide show, which is really nice for warming up.
Guggenmaneuver did a drawing in my sketchbook.
Drawings for one of the hostel thunderdomes... "Masked warrior" was the topic... obviously I wasn't really into it.
More masked warrior crapola...
Doodles I did during a demo... Me and Zebs worked collaboratively on the drawing in the lower left corner. Back and forth, back and forth... It was a lot of fun!
A room collaboration with me (kc), ZebsFree, Guggenmaneuver, ArghMisfit, ThatFatKid, and Zord... It was a lot of fun hanging out with you guys!
For the workshop Thunderdome, we had to go and find someone who we didn't know, was a member of the opposite sex, and who wasn't in Montreal for the workshop, and do a portrait of them. I got a picture of this girl (She was very nice, and I should have talked to her for a little longer... I think the portrait would've been better if I had. Basically I was just trying to fulfill the minimum requirements of the topic) and drew it at the hostel that night after the WS. Basiscally, in spite of some of the issues it has (like her ginormous forehead) I'm pretty happy with this drawing, and it's not one that I would've done even two weeks ago... soo...
Some Bridgeman studies, and a character that I'm messing around with...
Buildings from life
What I drew on the plane ride home from Montreal... I'm gonna use part of this for an illustrated blog.
More Bridgeman... I drew the one on the left from the book, and the one on the right was (mostly) from memory... It's a tough exercise, but worth the effort. I think it'll help grind the lessons into my memory.
Okay guys... that's it for now. I'll get some more stuff done, and talk to you all later. Thanks for all your support!
Coooool dude, glad to see an update already (mine is hopefully coming tomorrow night).
Montreal was awesome,Im happy that it influenced you as much as it did, your work definitely improved in the last 4 days (especially with the td piece, very smooth!)
A lot of the crits I'd have given you seem to have figured out by the end of the update so more indepth crits will wait till the next update where we see what stuck with ya!
The girl TD is my favorite piece here, the value and personality read well.Aside from the forehead, I'd also watch the lips; there is absolutely no need to outline them or leave the edges of them so sharp in contrast to softer ones elsewhere. It stands out and looks unnatural. Do some specific lip studies to help you figure out how the form wraps around and how they fit unto the rest of the face, looking at other work this seems like your main weakness with faces.
Hey hey hey, glad to hear you had an awesome time. I wish I could've gone and hung out. Hangin out with other other art-chumps is always good times. As for your portfolio, dude we all feel that, but you've got the right attitude about it. With your newly amped up desire to improve, think how sweet the next portfolio will be.
Anyway, there's a lot of fun new stuff goin on. That blue Tex drawing is lookin good and those one minute life gestures are awesome. I think they're more successfull than the ones done from the slideshow, too, they show more confidence. Drawing from ref tends to slow people down cause they think the image isn't going anywhere, definately something I'm guilty of. Makes me wanna go out and do some life drawing right now!
The drawing of buildings from life and the next page on the plane are two of the best things on here, both really cool pages. Cool little composition of the room with the checkered floor, nice value range going on in such a wee little space.
And the Thunderdome portrait looks like a nice step up, a lot of finesse goin on in there.
Wish I had more to crit, but most of what I'm seein are improvements, so cheers. Glad it was a fun time and good eye opener, I'm jealous like a mofo.
hey jeff--> glad to see the post montreal update, though my subscriptions have been acting up and i'm responding to this WAY after the fact. The bridgman studies here are looking real fing good, let me tell you... the line economy is razor sharp and dead the F on dude... keep trying to work in that direction. speaking of bridgman, I actually got myself some wood cut so i'm going to try and make a little manikin...actually it's like 40 year old mahogany from some factory that i got cut to the right proportions and was wanting to ask you--> what kind of wire should i use? What can i do about my problem with writing run-on sentences all the time and not being really able to stop with that despite all my best laid plans?
Ok... one more thing. The faces are looking so much more expressive...big props on that. Something that i've discovered in my post montreal haze of art doodling and scribbling is the added impact that throwing a hand study into your portraits can do... using a mirror, damn... it's crazy... adds so much to the composition and impact. try it out.
i'll be updating soon bro, promise
like the update man, it is monstrous, like the gesture sketches, i love doing those, its tons of fun, and good warm up as you said. The last half of the update looks like alot of fun, good job.
"KEEEE-YYYAAAAAAHHHHHH B!TCH!!!!" - Ed Wuncler III, The Boondocks
SirGreenSockHey thanks man! I'm still dealing with the Montreal stuff... Unfortunately, this TD thing is getting in the way of the excersises that I know I need to be doing, so I feel like I'm kind of being dragged down. I sure do hope that some of that learning sticks...
Mr FisticuffsYeah... Montreal was a good time. Like I said to sock, I have yet to see how much of it sticks. After I wash out of this round of the thunderdome, maybe I'll have more time to get some serious learnin' done!
guggenmaneuverThanks for your continued support man! And thanks for the comments on my top-secret project last night... it's comin' along! There will be more SPs and portraits in the near future, soooo I'll definately keep the addition of hand studies in mind.
this1Thanks for stoppin' in man! I'm glad you like what you see!
Okay kids... I didn't really want to update right now, 'cause I'm kind of strapped for time what with the TD deadline looming and all, but I felt that it was necessary in order to keep it from the epic scale! Those are always hard to look at and digest... at least they are for me, and This update really is on the large side anyway! Ha-ha!
So... here's the new stuff. Mostly working out of bridgeman, and my head. There's some stuff from the CA-STL meet with Zebs this week as well as Fantasy Figure Friday from last week...
Bridgeman, reflection in the window at dinner last week, and my mother-in-laws mouth and nose.
More Bridgeman... I was drawing out of the book, and then trying to re-draw the picture from memory. Sometimes it worked better than others. There's also the microwaves from the breakroom at work, and John... one of the Sporting Goods guys.
More of the same plus a character doodle...
More Bridgeman, and I was trying to work out a drawing for a mini-project... I gave up because it just wasn't working.
Did these while my wife was looking at swimsuits... apparently the girls thought I was a wierdo. Didn't really think how odd it must've looked for a guy as scruffy as me to be sitting in the swimming suit section, drawing people that walked by.
Fantasy Figure Friday!!!
My main two gripes about the fantasy figure event are that even though they do a good job of varying the models, it's always pretty much the same props and poses, and they are only ten minute poses, so you never really get a chance to get into it. It is a good time though, and I think I'm learning stuff from it.
What I did when Ryan came over the other day... we watched an episode of Fraggle Rock, and then a "behind the scenes" thing on it. Then he went home, and I watched "The making of The Dark Crystal" before bed... Didn't get much done, but it was fun anyway.
More Bridgeman, plus a little reminder (modified slightly) from the "Animators Survival Kit" book.
Okay... so that's all I have for you right now (That isn't top secret anyway...), and I'll see you all around the ninth with all the TD stuff!
Take care and be good!
Sweet, more update goodies!
I hope you can see the improvement I can, you picked up quite a bit in Montreal!
Pencils have become much much more confident and clean. Keep practicing the Bridgman (and applying it like you did with the fantasy girls!), its helping you push proportion and structure. Dont forget to move into anatomical studies as well so you can fill in the figure once you figure out the overal structures of it.
Looking forward to what you do with the TD. Going traditional with it? I'm trying to stick to 99% watercolour and gouache, touchups only in PS.
Hey man, cool stuff as always, and your productivity is just a bit bastardly, aaah!! i need to be drawing.
Right now that back handed compliment is out the way, i was thinking, it'd be interesting to see how you draw with a thicker pen, it'll force you to slow down and be a bit less scribbly.
Figures are really coming along, try and remember everything reacts in perspective, always think about the opposite side of an object, whether the shoulders line up along the cube etc. Hope that makes some sense.
Coming along in leaps and bounds KC.
Your fuzzy friend.
dude. it's been a long time. :bummed: sorry i been on vacation. so any way your bridgman work is coming along good idea with the drawing from memory.
you've improved a ton with this new fantasy figure batch nice colored pencils on the fragle rock piece too but my favorite is the spiderman stick figure on that page. it has so much rhythm and grace to it and the lines are so smooth. why don't you try doing a whole page of those and then maybe look at bridgman or some magazines to fill in the body stuff. hey but about the fantasy figure gripes, you know you learn best by studying the same thing multiple times anyways so. catch ya later
You know what I thought of when I saw your Fantasy Figure Friday post? A Minor Threat lyric:
"Make do with what you have
Take what you can get
Pay no mind to us
We're just a minor threat"
It's good to see you going to the figure sessions even if the poses aren't long at all. Something's better than nothing, right? If not improving your long poses you can atleast get practice for the shorter ones. And is that more toned paper I see? I'm always a sucker for WIP shots and toned sketches, so show us more Mr. Coyote!
Wow... its been a little while since I posted. What slacker I am! The first part of the month, was taken up by the Thunderdome... then came my birthday... then I started a new job. That's right, I started a new job. Basically, the company I work for is a freelance art department, and we do spot illustration and graphic design for other companies. We do a lot of T-shirts, lapel pins, and logo/catalog work. It's kind of stressful right now. I'm learning to work in the companies style (as well as dealing with the already apparent weaknesses) and learning new software... Corel Draw (when I was just getting Illustrator down too.) It's pretty exciting though. Another step in the right direction. On my way away from Wal-Mart at last.
Okay, on to replys, and then the work!
SirGreenSock Thanks for the comments and constant encouragement man! It really means a lot to me. I'm glad you see improvement, and I hope it still is apparent.
Badger I work and struggle with perspective and that scribblyness all the time. Thanks for the suggestions and encouragement. I hope this pitiful update makes you feel a little better about your productivity.
That fat kid Thanks man. I'm getting back into the swing of things now. The studies are coming along apace, but I kind of feel like I'm getting trapped by them. That's not to say that I'm going to stop doing them, but I think I'll be tempering them with more from life (still lifes and SPs) and crap out of my head.
ListingThanks for the comments man. I've been noticing a lot of the same stuff, and am trying to work my way through it.
p-p-p-pennington Hey man, glad to see you back! You're totally right about my FFF gripes. It's being unfair, but... You are right though. Something is better than nothing. It's funny to me how those goofy little sketches that I just toss off tend to be fairly strong... Loosey Goosey, right?
Jonny DOOOOM! Good to see you around, even fleetingly. You're right too about the FFF. I think I was just in kind of a snit.
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I can't believe you posted that pic of you... lol Ridiculous... lol
I always love looking at books where sketchbook pages are just full to the brim with studies, random doodles, and other oddities. So much thought recorded in one page.
anatomy studies are looking good, and like I said, you're thinking!
keep at it dude, I'm glad we got to share a table in Montreal. I've never seen so many people on one balcony before...
That, now that is sexay.
Lotta new stuff, been too long since I stopped in. Your sketch pages are all lookin really cool, this page is great. Is that Jenifer Garner? This page is damn slick, too. Great line variation goin on.
Is this piece finished? I think it could go further, but there is fun stuff going on. I think the main things that could use tightening up are hands, particularly the dude on the bottom. The hand on the left, his right, is at a really tough position/angle to pull off. I think you might could just lose it all together, and the hand on the right could stand to be bigger. Hands can be a biotch, but looks like you're getting there, especially with pages like this.
Quibbling aside, your illustrator skills are top notch man. I like how you layout the large areas like that.
Nice dumpin man!
wow! that girl's portrait is great, just lovely. and the hand page is awesome!! ahhhhh you in your undies!!! no, not that. anything but that. happy late b-day and congratz on the job! no crits you're doing good. goodnight.
its me again . You have veen working hard. http://www.redherringillustration.co...k/td/tdref.jpg. Dont know what your doing here but lets carry on talking about art . This one is really smooth and nice! http://www.redherringillustration.co...tch_jul011.jpg. Keep on going with the anatomy stuff and keep on drawing!
Okay, getting back in the swing of things... I'm pretty tired lately, so sorry if I seem kind of out of it. Ha-ha! Thanks for tuning in everybody, the support is totally appreciated. I think I mentioned in my last post that I just started a new job (well... this is my fourth week actually), and it's very frustrating learning to work in a specific style, quickly and consistantly. And on top of that, learning new computer programs... I don't want anyone to get the idea that I'm bitching ('cause I'm not, really), this is just the stuff that I'm going through, and trying to work on... on top of my own general progression. I think that all the work so far is showing, and I really hope I continue to get better at least this fast... I just have so much more to learn! I didn't even realize...
Okay! Enough of that! On to replies!
Zebs Is that all it takes to get you to post in my book? I'll have to post half nudes of myself more often! Ha-ha! Call me sometime, we need to do some drawin' together!
Dile Thanks for the encouragement man! I'm glad you enjoyed what's going on so far... hopefully people continue to enjoy it!
easy tiger! One of the greatest things about Montreal was getting to meet so many people. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that we broke some sort of fire code that night. Ha-ha! I'm glad you like that kind of sketch-page because honestly, it's my favorite type to do. Part journal, part sketchbook... I have a lot of time to think at my part time job, and this really helps for getting all that out. Thanks for stoppin' in man! It's great to see (or, I guess, read) you again!
Idiot Apathy Ha-ha! Sicko huh? Well... nobody's ever able to satisfy somebody like himself. Ha-ha! Actually, it's just easier to hook the digital camera up to a TV and take the ref pics of myself than talk my friends into getting into bed and letting me take pics. You know? Thanks for stoppin' in!
That Fisticuffs Guy You too huh? Who knew there were so many pervs on this forum? Yeah that's Jennifer Garner... pretty amazing that you could see that, 'cause I don't think I did a very good likeness of her. It's mainly in the mouth that I dropped the ball, I think... I'd meant to go back and redo her, but... You know. No, the King of Hearts picture is technically not done. On the one hand, I'd really like to go back and finish it the way I saw it in my head, (or just actually FINISH it at all, for that matter) but realisticly, I don't see it happening. That's just the way things are sometimes. Learned a lot on that piece though. Thanks for your continued support.
pennington Thanks for stoppin' by man! It was nice chatting with you the other day, we'll have to do it again sometime. There's worse things than me in my undies... like this for example. Don't look if you just ate. Probably not the best idea to look anyway. Ha-ha!
Qxzi Good to read you again man! Thanks for stoppin' in... I try to work hard every day. It's just that some days I end up workin' hard at Tony Hawk's Pro Skater games! Ha-ha!
guggenmaneuver I got some more of those in store... I'm kind of working in a new direction, but more on that in a minute!
'kay kids! Here's the actual images... the thing you actually visit me to see. Unless you just think reading my rambling replies is enough... Ha-ha! So. I'm kind of going in a new direction. I still am working on the studies etc, but there's other things that need to be going on too. This is where I'm coming from on this... The stuff I'm doing for work is very linear. I do illustration and design for lapel pins, so the drawings need to be areas of flat color with definate delineation. Here's the thing though... it also needs to be fairly expressive line-work, meaning it has to have a good contour. So that's what I'm working on. LINE. This got me thinking about art school. We (I don't know about you) had to learn the principles of design... there are several, and I'm going to just admit that I don't remember all of them right now, but I DO know line, shape, form, color, texture... like I said, I don't remember them. Which brings me to my point... We had to know them academically, but we never really LEARNED them. So I figure I'm gonna' go back and hack and explore them like lost kingdoms. Should be an adventure! In that vein, here's my first foray into the kingdom of LINE...
A little SP, and some hand studies. I was pretty bummed out about work... well stressed, actually, and had to force myself to sit down to draw. But I got into it really fast, and realized that I'd forgotten how much I really enjoy drawing! All the times are me trying to be concious of how much time I'm taking on my drawings. I really have to get faster...
This one started off as a DSG topic (which I misinterpreted) and kind of degenerated into some doodles and rambling... Then I did some more hand studies. I hope you guys like them, 'cause you're going to be seeing them more often! Ha-ha!
That guy is real. Google "hillbilly" if you don't believe me. He has a brother that's gonna show up sometime soon too. This one started off with the text at the bottom which got me thinking about narritive, so I got the building off of FlickrLeech, and then I was thinking about a comment I put in Sir Fisticuff's (Andy P) book about interaction of the elements in SB pages, as well as Gugg's comment to me about design, and started trying to be concious of the design of the PAGE. I don't really know how it's woked ou, but I feel pretty good about the result. The post-it is me practising my line strokes. I thought it would be fun to add it in. I was also thinking about expressing ideas and/or emotions with pure line abstraction... so, if you guys could, would you take some guesses as to what they are? Thanks.
Alright! Dang! That was a small novel! Whooo-Hooo!
Take care and be good kids... I'll talk at you more soon!
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ok... nice looking update my friend... I really didn't expect to see lines this quick, this clean coming from you... looks like somehow you are getting some really good economy and the forms are showing through relatively quickly!
one tip on those that i discovered recently... if you get like a small "camping mirror" or bathroom mirror that stands up on its own it's immensely helpful for studying hands that you can then put onto another figure or something... just pose one hand, then look at the reflection--> now you have the opposite side of the bodies hand 2d for you to wail on. portable mirror = good.
interesting--> though i dont' think this minor little sketch of the bball player is indicative of all the work you are doing pro-wise, but your update looks all in this clean line direction. keep it up, try to keep your parallel rendering lines as tight as possible, with clean straight edges to boot. anticipate where those boogers are going to go and get down with the zen of ink.
actually i can tell that you already are to some degree, just want to see you get really down with it. even though ink is pretty cut and dry only positive or negative try to think of ways that you can expirement with it... collage in barcodes or stuff sometimes...can give you some unreal textures to break up the lines if you are interested in that
cheers brother in doom and godspeed you into the realm of deftly dripping ink!
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