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I am feeling very insecure about my figure studies. I am a member of a local figure study society, and they have given me some bad critique of my studies.
They don't like I draw the constructions' lines, and I was told that my way of drawing isn't very artistic. I joined the society to get better at drawing the anatomy, and to learn to draw the proportions right. Should I keep drawing the way I do or should I try to draw without the construction lines?
Your thoughts are very welcome!
The studies I have uploaded are all 4 min studies, we also have shorter poses, but 4 min, are the longest poses. I can ask for longer poses should I try to do that?
Why do they not like construction lines? Is there a reason?
More importantly, why do you use construction lines? This is not to say you shouldn't use them, but rather to make you be able to justify your use of them. The more you know about your own technique, the more efficient you can be in your drawing.
4 minutes is a really short period of time for a drawing. You should absolutely ask for longer poses if you want to draw longer poses.
I'm a beginner at life drawing and I expect the more advanced people on here would be able to give you better help, but here's what I think.
I don't see any problem with drawing construction lines on your studies (I'm presuming by this you mean the lines indicating the contour of the forms, not guidelines for the pose). It shows you are understanding the volumes and thinking 3 dimensionally.
If you were doing a longer pose and were going for a more 'finished' drawing I would suggest you would want to make these contour lines less prominent or remove completely and concentrate instead on indicating the volumes through value, but if these are 4 min studies I don't see a prob.
As for being told you're way of drawing isn't 'artistic' that's just dumb.
I would definitely ask to maybe try a few 10/20 min poses as well, to mix things up.
Hope this helps - like I said I am very new to this myself and I'm sure other people on here can give better advice, but don't be discouraged.
Thanks Main Loop and Lightpunk!
I draw the construction lines to get the proportions right, but as we only do very short poses I can't manged to add the light and shadows. Most of the members of my local figure drawing society, are working very loose. I don't think they worry much about getting the proportions right. We vote for the length of the poses, and most of the members only want very short poses. There are no teacher, but at the end of the session we put our drawings on a wall for critique. Sadly this is the only place I can do live figure drawing where I live, so I have to get the best out of it that I possibly can.
Yea because it seems like you are using methods more suited to longer poses than shorter poses. Since you are kind of stuck with that time setting, try to maximize your learning by focusing more on gesture and proportion. You're trying to get down an awful lot of info for such a short period even for a more advanced artist. Rather than trying to squeeze a long-pose drawing into 4 minutes, work on trying to make a stronger gesture pose and leave the longer studies to copying master drawings/working from photos etc.
I find your drawing quite precise, but lacking a bit of confidence ; you should not be afraid to put emphasis on your lines, I mean to exaggerate them a little ; make this angle more acute than it is, simplify this one curve a bit so the figure get globally more dynamic, etc. Doing this - taking the more prominent traits and putting emphasis on them - would help you to better understand the human body.
That said, these are still nice life drawings ; also, as it's been said, try to vary between short (even very short) and long poses, because you don't draw the same. Short poses help to focus on global shapes and proportions - as you don't have time to do anything else.
@Lightpunk : I'd say it's globally a bit stiff, but still dynamic (the 5-minutes drawing on the right is really moving, to my eyes) ; as for your lines, why not try to get the outline in one shot ? You seem to be passing over your lines a number of times and losing some line "energy" in this process.
@Eggory : wow, that looks good. Proportions, volumes, shading and highlights... I have nothing to say !
Thats incredible, i takes me a few sessions just to perfect the construct!
recent academy stuff long and short(er) pose
Some older work:
Guys, I really need some advice now...
OK, here's the story: I've been drawing figures for a long time on my own (no supervision, no life drawing). I believe I was able to teach myself some solid fundamentals. Over the last couple of weeks, I did some nude drawing (also no supervision by an artist) and I am happy with the results (see sketchbook in signature; I also posted in this thread).
Now, I definitely want to continue nude drawing, and I have to choose between two life drawing classes (both 1x per week):
Cons: No supervision by an artist, just draw for yourself.
Pros: no obligation (if you don't come, you don't pay), long (3 hours/session), comparatively cheap (8€/session).
Pros: supervision by artist, many materials available for experimentation (charcoal, colors, whatever).
Cons: short (2 hours/session), comparatively expensive (12€/session, pay in advance)
Which shoud I pick?
My guts suggest that the inflexibility, pricing and short sessions of class 2 are not worth it. I don't really believe a supervisor will help that much (and I don't know how good she is).
I'd be really grateful if you could take a look at my sketchbook and give tell me which course might be best for me. I'm not asking about comments on my sketches, just about that choice.
always by a (credible)supervising artist, in the long run you will spend less and gain much more knowledge, cant you cobime the two?
During my short life drawing experince I have learnt so much from have a tutor critic my work
Hi Quaternion, yep as mysocksrock (excellent name! lol) says, you will almost certainly progress faster with feedback. If it helps, I started doing life drawing 2 months ago at an unsupervised weekly session just like your class 1 and I'm already looking around to see if I can get some tutored classes instead or as well. That's not to say unsupervised is not good, its actually probably the most useful drawing/learning experience I've ever had, but I know it would be immensely improved with a tutor there too.
If you have doubts about the tutor maybe ask to go and have a chat with them before signing up? I'm sure they would be happy to talk the course through with a prospective student. Always be open to learning tho from any source, and remember good artists aren't necessarily good teachers and vice versa.
Good luck! Either way, make sure you post up the results of your decision here! At least we can all give each other feedback for free!
Jlife, not bad, I like em
These are some new drawings from the last week and tonight. I think you will notice a difference between what I was doing last week and tonight.
Last week's drawings:
This was my favorite, just because I love the gesture she was making.
Thanks to William Wray's blog I came across the Flickr page of Gamlet Koudaverdian who was a previously-unknown-to-me artist with some incredible life drawings. I love what he's doing. So much in fact that I printed out his drawings and took them with me to the life drawing session. I had them tacked up on my board as I was drawing.
Notice the influence?
I kind of liked putting multiple drawings on the same page without having them step on each other. I'm probably going to keep doing this.
There's a difference between the direct drawing I do with the last week's drawing and the tonal approach I used more in last night's drawing. In every life drawing however, I do tend to use a mixture of direct and structural drawing. I usually use the most rudimentary structure in poses 5-10 minutes. I use a slightly more measured approach in the 20 minute drawings. Having some basic structure in a quick pose helps especially if you're planning on using a lot of tone because it will help you keep control of your drawing. Having a good line quality makes your drawing better when you add in those necessary hard edges to define certain forms and boundaries. Having a reference of what you aspire to helps guide your drawing as you are drawing it.
Last edited by Main Loop; April 2nd, 2011 at 07:53 AM.
heres a couple finished pieces on toned paper of the lovely model katherine
My studies of the week, all done at my local figure drawing society. The poses are 1-3 min. I worked on A3 sized paper. This was the first time we had a male model. Comments are most appreciated!
So, I never said I think your drawings great...Your drawings are great ....It's done;-)
today's life drawings:
Last edited by Main Loop; April 2nd, 2011 at 07:48 AM.