Hey Sveta, just dropped by to say a few things, first of all thanks for posting in my new sketchbook, they were kind word indeed, and I would like to return the favour! Its great to see how you lap up the constructive crits posted here by friends, and the improvement is obvious, you have a great humble approach and the right attitude! I also like your shading.
Advice is that you get yourself a long knittingneedle to use as "proportion measure" for your drawings as a pen often obscures the view of your subject, it being to fat! Another god tool is a fil a plomb, basically a weighty object tied to a piece of sewing string. This is great to find lines and guides to where fx feet an such are in relation to different bodyparts. you get a straight vertical line every time, which is not always the case with a knitting needle!
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Aha... what I liked about the "new" ones (apparently your old ones) was that it seemed that you had been a bit more sparse and confident in your linework, especially with the contours.
In your new ones (at the top) you now seem to have a very heavy contour line, which makes the pose more rigid. With a lighter contourline the nudes have more energy and fluidity. I would say to try and not "block the nude lifedrawings with a heavy contour. I had the same problem and still have a tendency to press too hard, but after countless reprimands from my life drawing teacher, I have started to loosen up.
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This would be my Pleine Air blog
hey nice figure drawings there.
i really like the two kids facing each other....lots of character and nice poses
Hey man, i really like the figure work, very loose. I'm seeing some of proportions are off, torsos are very long. Maybe you're doing quick gestures. You could try spending more time or just focus in the torso, hands or something if time allow you to do it.
Keep it up.
What, no aquariums?
Well, I definitly like your figure work much better. Not that these are bad, I just don't find much interest in still lifes as subject matter. In high school I would add all sorts of weird things just to keep myself from going nuts. But, I digress... They look very good and the only crit that I can give is on the cup; the elipses seem a bit off. I admire your energy and creativity.
Thank you Diego for your kindness. I appreciated it a lot. Yep, that's true about proportions. If you have more detailed crits don't hesitate to tell me. I'll be very glad to hear it. The thing is I'm very greedy. At figure studies I can't stop at just a torso or hands. I feel such an ardor and excitement to catch on paper everything i see so I can't stop on one part or just do outline. I need to do shading, try to express different textures and et cetera because I'm enjoying the process too much. So in result - a mess . Plus I need to learn an anatomy.
Thank you again for stopping by and for your time.
So you are not angry . That's good. Can you believe it I thought you will not be interested in still life studies. I thought you like some interesting philosophical ideas better then pretty pictures. I might be wrong, of course. As for me I love good still life art. For example I enjoy Pieter Claesz
Breakfast with Ham.
I looked at the cup before with the same thought. So it's wrong. Okay, Thank you for telling me.
P.S. "I admire your energy and creativity." Yea, right...
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Did you really thin that I would be angry? I thrive on silliness. AND, you thought that I wouldn't like a good still life? Well, if it's done right, the colors right, symbolism, blah, blah, blah...I'm an intellectual nitwit, but I try! That link is definitly Dutch. They do like their still lifes. I saw a lot of nice ones in Amsterdam. Thanks for the link.
p.s. Are YOU grumpy about the cup? hmmm?
p.s.s. What do you mean "yea right?" It's true.
Hey, man, maybe you can translate what you did with these still lifes. I think the more you look and assimilate the more controled the quick gestures will be. So when you got all the forms in your head it'll be easy to get more life in those quickies. Be patient.
Hope it helps, and post more.
Hello , madplanet.
Still life with symbolism?! Aren't you a picky one? . The same artist: http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/pclaesz/p-pclaesz3.htm . Yea, he's Dutch, you're right, respect, man. That's the whole page of him with link to his work http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/pclaesz/ . You've been in Amsterdam, WOW respect again. Where else? I would love to see the world.
No, I'm fine with the my ugly cup. That's just a study. Unfortunately, I can't correct it. I pressed the charcoal too deeply. Could you be a little more specific about the ellipses though. Yes, I know I should use my own brain for a change. But you are so kind, I would appreciate it very much...
Thank you for your kind words. You're exaggerating though.
What does "Grrrrrr" mean? Did you arrive on a bike?
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It's not picky if it makes it interesting, am I right? But yes, I suppose that I am picky anyways. Go figure. Thanks for the added links, I actually like Claesz. I'll bet that his still life's are loaded with symbolism! Especially Vanitas Still Life; obvious ones and not so obvious ones. My favorite ones are that one and the one where he changed things around- A Vanitas Still Life, and Still Life with Wine Glass And Silver Bowl.
Yeah, I've been to Amsterdam. One of my best friends lives there, so always a place to stay. I've also been to Italy-best trip ever.
I'm so kind- boy you're sarcastic. The ellipse, the oval opening, seemed to me to be off a bit. I just looked at it again and maybe it really isn't that off. maybe the shjading inside makes me think that it is. Yeah, I'm a big help.
So, where do you live that bikes make a grrrr sound? I had a good laugh at that one. I was going for a growling dog, y'now angry...mad....disgruntled....
I hear crickets....
I don't know much about a symbolism in still life. I think whenever they draw and whenever I see some attractive looking fruit, greens, meat, any food, the first natural thought is to gorge it up fast or slowly if nobody is around . That's a celebration of life.
Yes, I'm aware that citrus fruit were a rarity in medieval times so whenever you see them on paintings from the time it's a hint on a prosperity of the depicted character. Musical instruments meant lust. Most of the hints are lost for us. I know (if I'm not mistaking) Cesann was experimenting with his still life work for some perverted purpose - wanted to explore the essence of material things. But my opinion - still life's for epicures and gourmands, consumer's paradise. And it doesn't mean only food for mouth.
I live in Dallas, Texas. I thought it's a special chic to ride a motorcycle with loudest "Grrrr" sound. No? Well. Live and learn.
I would love to read about your Italy and Amsterdam impressions, But don't want to be obnoxious.
Crickets? Are you messing with my mind? I'm sure you are. My silliness started to wake up.
No, you are right, the upper ellipse is not copying outline of the bottom one.
Well, it's always pleasure to talk with you. don't forget about my thread , you are always welcome .
By the way, do you recommend this book "The Lord of flies"? I asked around. Replies are positive. Hope it's not childish but intelligent.
I'm glad you like that Dutch.
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woohoo! Amserdam/holland, the place to be
I like your drawings a lot, especially those 3 sunflowers of your still life. I think the shading is awesome (as far as I know something from shading that is ^.^)
Hello, Haldor. Well thank you for the complement. Didn't expect it. I thought that this drawing is too cold and doesn't appeal to anybody. Its very nice of you. Have you been to Holland too. I have not .
How did you know it's sunflowers? Are they in a full bloom where you live too?
Last edited by sve; September 13th, 2005 at 09:40 PM.
Hello sve, great sketchbook you have here. I donīt have the level of skill nor the eye to comment on the technical aspects of your drawings, but you really do draw people instad of lifeless statues, theres a lot of rhythm and energy in your works.
And you did an excellent job with those kids in the middle of this thread.
Absolutely fantastic, and thanks a lot for checking out my sketchbook.
Thank you taxman. You are too kind. Excellent and fantastic is the forum where I'm posting my mediocre drawings. But I'm glad that you stopped and looked, and gave me your opinion. Please come again and be as strict to my faults as you want .
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Of these works I think you nailed the first flowers down completely, the second flowers for some reason the bowl seems flat. Probably use some darkness toward the bottom of the bowl to give it dimension.
Something about your figure drawings, I see you have undersketchings...but do you mark the number of heads as measurement? Do you extend your arm with your drawing tool and use that measurement between the end of it and your thumb? I really like the children drawings.
Hello, Steve-I. Thanks for stopping by and for detailed analisis of my drawings. Looking on the above mentioned third drawing I will try to fix it, first playing with Levels and Burn filter in Photoshop, then on paper. Maybe I should add some roundish shading on a right side of the basket. Thanks for helping me to see it.
No, I didn't use any of this measuring.Only my eyes, I'm planning to do it from now on. I'm just wondering how the head's counting will help me in a foreshorten pose. thank you again. You are very helpful.
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Concerning your drawings... are you in art school?
The flowers are gorgeous, it s a difficult exercise, so it s good,
concerning the cup, be more careful of the perspective, and of the ellipses.
all plants are great, and difficult exercise, so really good job!
on life drawings, maybe should you be less concerned by the drawing itself.
I try to explain, i think that you want to make some good looking drawing, so you draw a lot of contours model, but you miss the point.
First, you need to understand shapes of different body parts and volumes, so you'd better search this. Search shapes, search volumes, have a lot of lines going over the limbs, going across etc...
then, you will really learn. because when doing contour drawings, you dont really learn, it doesnt help you much for imagination drawing.
Then shading comes, but you dont need to hurry. Everything has a place.
first find the volumes, and shapes, then the shading will only be fun and gorgeous
only my 2 cents,
but keep on that way, you sure will be getting better fast !
I life in hollandOriginally Posted by sve
THANK YOU SO MUCH Ryu! I wish you didn't stop talking. Just want for you to speak for hours and for me to put in your pauses :"Why? How? Where?"
First your question. No, I'm mainly self-taught. Well, now I'll be lucky to find anybody on this forum who will listen me rambling about art . I took figure drawings classes one summer long one time a week one year ago, and 1 month just drawing models without a teacher,
Why is it difficult to draw flowers. they are not gonna suddenly stand up and say: "Clean it up and go home, I don't want to see your ugly face anymore"? . They are never late on appointments.
Please, please say more about my mistakes on the cup. Should I really think about perspective when I'm sitting almost nose to nose with this cup?
About second very useful for me comment. Yes, I'm not sure I can handle it yet.
I have a comment here by patdzon. He recommended for me to look for imagined S-lines. I think they are what you are talking about, S-lines define a form and how it flow into other form. Thank you. I'll try to experiment with many lines. I have seen one artist in studio where we drew do just that. He drew many thin light lines with pencil and at the beginning forms looked like a tangled yarn of wool. At the end everything looked beautiful. He actually drew with the small circles.
Why contour drawing doesn't help for imagination drawing? Because I'm not exploring a volume inside the contour, am I?
Yes, that's not even easy to say in words .
Well, thank you again. You words didn't fall into an air . I heard everything that you said.
Hey, Haldor. your portrait of that girl captivated me. It's beautiful.
So you live in Holland! OMG, OMG. OMG. Tell me everything. Where have you been? What did you see?
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haha, thanks for the big compliment you gave about my drawing
about were I life etc;
well, I life in a little village called Oude Tonge, that is on one of the islands at the bottom of the Netherlands (the island is called goeree overflakkee). That is also the place where the so called "deltaworks" are. (for people who don't know what that is; it is a chain of dams made to protect the netherlands, without them 1/3 or 2/3 of the Netherlands would be under water) When you go 50 km north you'll have Rotterdam, most people will know because it used to have (not anymore if I'm correct) the biggest harbor in the world.
About the landscape where I live;
flat and clouds, then I think you've captured the 2 most important things you'll see in a dutch landscape
places I've been in Holland;
erhm, well :/ what places do you know in holland? because if I'd make a list you'd know less then half of them...
if you want to know more just ask ^.^ if you want I could make some pictures for you
o yeah, we don't all live in windmills wearing clogs while eating cheese with a sigaret filled with supergrass in our mouth.
btw, some posts earlier you asked how I knew it were sunflowers, the answers is quite simple: because they look like sunflowers
Hello sve! Thanks for the kind words on my thread.
I really enjoy your artwork, it's very soothing and pleasing to the eye. I especially like what you can do with baskets! Those were beautiful. Your still lifes are wonderful - I'd like to see more of those incorporated with the figure, like the first gal surrounded by those wonderful baskets. Any critiques I can make about your figures have already been addressed, so I won't belabor you!
Very nice work, keep it up!
Hello, Haldor ! Thank you very much for feeding my curiosity. Yes, I would love to see any visuals about Holland. Actually I tried to Google the names you mentioned in your post. Got very beautiful images of your home town Oude Tonge - very simple and strict style buildings, churches, water, a lot of street sculptures. A little of Amsterdam. and almost nothing on Rotterdam. So I would appreciate your own pictures very much. How does Holland smell. Is it sea smell?
<we don't all live in windmills wearing clogs while eating cheese with a sigaret filled with supergrass in our mouth>
Actually, someone described Holland as not violent, peaceful and beautiful place to be. He was very respectful to your country. But even before I didn't have this image of Holland in my mind. I know about Holland from art and a little from history. I was born in Russia. Peter the First, first Russian emperor was studying the ship building in Holland in 17th century. And in my childhood I loved this book "Hans Brinker or the Silver Skates" by Mary Mapes Dodge. It had many little details about Holland. I have this book now on my bookshelf in Russian.
<because they look like sunflowers>
They could be daises .
Hey, Teigrob, thank you for compliments. It's very kind of you. If you have anything to say more I would be happy to hear you thoughts. I started the thread to hear about my weak sides.
Thank you again
I think you have a few proportional issues(hands, feet, head) with regards to your observation when drawing from life. If I've got only so long to draw, then I'll draw the hands and feet as shapes, a suggestion that the hands and feet are there; not the best way to go, im sure, but it helped me with the proportions of the hands/feet in relation to the legs, arms, body etc.
Also, with longer poses (3-4-5 hrs) I think you should try the measuring technique, because it does work, and you start to think about the relationship that the human body has with itself. The connecting angles and weight distribution; the internal shapes that the body provides, they all relate to each other is some way, and ya gotta observe that and take it in when you draw. This thought process can be taken into gesture drawing too, because, for me, gestures become more and more enjoyable to do once you understand the human form. Its the concept of gestures you want to get across to the viewer...
The 2nd drawing posted of the guy laying back, is my fav. The foreshortening, the loose lines in the leg etc is good;the shape in the knee, nice...
Also, when using charcoal, DONT be afraid to completely wipe out the picture if your not happy with it, or not feeling comfortable; (I have noticed that there can be these big thick lines around the forms of your figures, and it looks quite garish, and uncertain). When I draw, I do that, I completely wipe the picture, even if its looking ok. I'll start drawing, look at what I've done, then I'll wipe it completely, and start again. Theres something nice about the way charcoal leaves faint lines under the drawing; this middle tone that rids the drawing of white paper. Then use a kneaded rubber or chamois leather to pull out the highlights.
I dont know how long you've been life drawing or infact if what I said will help, but try and to not use charcoal like a pencil. Your still lifes are very good, and the sketches of the children are good too.
Keep at it!