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well finally decided to start on a drawing the way the book says..from a distance and side to side with a copy of a drawing..im using my pencil for measuring..and sight sizing..is nice..it helps a lot on memory and on keeping good proportions..here goes a two hour work..then my eyes got tired..irritated..hehe..couldnot see anymore..keep in mind every mark and outline is done from distance..damn im exhausted..i will continue tomorrow..it really forces me to stop and look,be sensitive to line..at the start i used my pencil for measuring big shapes..when i double check most of my marks done by eye..are acurate..
Good for you! Pick up the latest issue of International Artist Magazine cuz it has an article on how to copy a Bargue Drawing. I'm sure there are tips there that could help a lot!
I'm also doing a copy of a Raphael drawing but not in a site size manner by using any kind of measuring tools or methods. Instead of that, I completely depend on my eye. I also work from a distance BTW and from there, I can check and compare whether my lines are correct. It is hard but so far i think i'm doing good with it.
cool patdzon..raphael is my favorite artist of all time..hehe..yeah i used sight size to double check when im restating the lines..our eyes are fairly accurate..but this stuff is hard work..post your drawing when your done..which raphael are you doing?
hmm i put two hours more today..i already see some problems on exactness but is kinda hard to judge from a distance..we'll see
this is looking good man
i cant see it up close or anything, but you said you see exactness problems? what is it? i'm thinking theres not enough contrast yet, and that the line quality isnt the same. i think you should sharpen your pencil and make sure you have the line quality right? then again, i cant see the original bargue up close... so, I dont know if that's the problem or what?
anyways, keep going! this is looking very good!
edit: when i'm talkin about the line quality, i mainly mean the casts back. maybe its just not dark enough yet... i'm sure you see that its a lot darker, you just havent built it up yet.
just finished today..6 hours put on this bargue...im happy not perfect but nice
It looks to me like the main thing for you to work on in the next one you do (if you do a next one) is smoothing out your markmaking. I've done a handful of these and that was always the main thing that I had problems with. If you look at the Bargue plates there are pretty much no visible marks, its all smooth value transition. A couple of tips would be to sharpen your pencil, a lot. I use an electric sharpener to get it really really sharp. Also, start off your rendering with a harder lead, even as hard as a 2H. You can move into softer leads later to really get the darks right but start off with something light. Lastly, hold your pencil really really loosely and barely graze the surface of the paper with it. It will take a lot longer to build up values but you'll end up with a much smoother look. For me, that smoothness is the most maddening part of this exercise because even when you think you've got it, its still going to be a bit off. But this looks pretty good otherwise. Just keep working at it, this is a really helpful exercise for rendering practice.
jedmo thanks for your advice..i think most of the drawings there are done with charcoal..might be vine? or a softer not sure...
im gonna try different pencils..for this i just use a regular 2b and then added a 3b for going darker..my main concern was the drawing on this..(following the block in and a bit of measuring )not rendering..evey mark there was done from memory..well a split second memory hehe..i stood from 6 feet or so away ..I would look at the original from a distance then go and make a mark did that again and again...i i did it mostly until the finish..which i finish off on my drawing table and finish the rendering kinda quick..
next time i will concentrate on the rendering I suck at it..
I can give you a tip of how to get that smooth transition of values.
What you basically do is a lot of crosshatching and you won't be using the side of your pencil. You start to hatch LIGHT lines in one direction and another in a different direction. Once the values start to look even, it's time to start smoothening it out. You do that by going over the interstices(those little and narrow spaces in-between the hatched lines) VERY LIGHTLY. In other words, it's like going through a really small maze. Its adviseable to hold the pencil much like how we write and always keep it sharp to a point.
To my knowledge, this is how they do it in some Ateliers without the use of smudging.
Time consuming yes, but rewarding.
tight i will give that technique a try..i supposed you would do the values upclose i mean in front of the drawing..seating down ? standing from a distance to compare the two drawings is too help you on proportion , angles, memory and seeing things as a whole, am i correct?
It's up to you whether you wanna be sitting down or standing up while doing that, just be comfortable. And yes, stand away from your drawing when comparing it to the copy then go back and fix any necessary mistakes.Originally Posted by the_allejo05tight i will give that technique a try..i supposed you would do the values upclose i mean in front of the drawing..seating down ? standing from a distance to compare the two drawings is too help you on proportion , angles, memory and seeing things as a whole, am i correct?
got another bargue..not exact but very nice, i tried to work on the rendering a bit more.. this drawings are helping sharpening my eye from a distance
hm another one..this was easier..im getting a bit of rendering technique but i still got lots of more to copy..i wanna do each in the book.. im getting faster at blocking in..although this was an easy image i think
I think you're working with these things a little bit too fast. It should be uber super duper slow, plus you still have a few mistakes from them. But keep them up, I know how hard it is to be exact... I had to take a break from the one i was working on.
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