B-Man: I appreciate your comment. I'm starting to get the feel for expressions a tiny bit more. Back in the past my style has always been just straight line art, very little shading, partly because I didn't know how to render at all. But now I'm getting a bit better at it from studying real photos. I love contrasting light and dark. There has always been a real attraction about that, more of a mysterious feel to the character when I add high levels of dark areas. I don't know, I'm just rambling now. I will be putting your feedback to good use. Your comment was just in time. I'm working on another sketch (surprise, it's another woman!) I'll keep some cleaner lines this time.
Ok, I submit to you the following sketch. Feel free to analyze it, leave me some good constructive crits. As long as it's constructive don't be afraid to just tell me how it is (like Fellah). I'm open to ideas. Later
I had a decent night at work and decided to put part of my down time to this piece. I should have rendered the design on the dress better, but in between calls I had to do the best I could. I work too damn much not enough time to sketch.
Looks good, but here are a couple of things. For her proportions her breasts are large, which is ok, but they are lacking volume. From the light source, you need a bit more shadow underneath. Right now, the bust portion of the dress looks like it is in the same plane as her waist area. Her right are is also getting lost in the lighting on the plant leaf. Even with the lighting you are trying to depict, there would be more value difference between her arm, which would be a lighter than the illuminated green leave. That's my take. The better artists here might tell me I'm wrong. Keep going. You are making my want to draw more women....
I think this is good stuff and I agree with hylandr2 you should ceep on with the lighting maby look at some black and white pictures in underwear ads, they got great lighting.
I think this face is your best, you didnt overdo it. The only thing with it is just what i would have done different, the yaw its kinda broad. I would have gone for a thinner jaw, but thats maby just me...
Good jobb man Keep em coming!
Hey bud! So I like this one, too!! The face is one of the best ones I've seen you do so far, killer!
I don't draw bodies or do stuff close to what you do, so I hope I'm not steppin on anyones toes when I want to give advice. hehe. The ONLY thing I noticed about your bod is the shoulders seem kinda small to me. Or maybe it's the muscle from the neck to the shoulder is too big? or the neck is too long? I think all 3. If one of them was changed it would bring it together just a tad bit more.
Anyways, I really like your women. Keep it up!! (HEHE!)
hylandr2: Thanks for the crit. Yeah, I was going to shade the area underneath here breast for more volume, but I thought well thats going to cover up the nice pattern I'm working on. Actually the original showed more shading. I think I didn't properly adjust the contrast and levels. Keep drawing your women. I'm still waiting for the Harley Quinn piece you've ben talking about.
B-Man: Good to hear from you. You're right the jaw is little broad. But while I was sketching this piece I tried a variety of different jaws on her. This one actually looked the best to me. Her overall anatomy was on the thicker side, she's not skin and bones, I just wanted to add some more roundness to her face to balance everything out.
Cobi: Alright back again to crit my work. When I was sketching her I had a slightly bigger head on those shoulders. After I fixed everything I noticed that the head was too big. She would have looked like a bobble-head. So I scaled it down a bit, but didn't think to move the head lower. But She has a nice sexy neck to me. I wouldn't mind..... wait, this is the wrong forum for that
Well, I'm back again. Here's a totally new sketch for you critics to destroy. I did use a photo reference for this. And I know I said I was going to get away from all this pinup work.... but this particular pic had such great rendering values I couldn't resist. The challenge was to make the bright spots bright and the darker areas more dark and everything in between. I cropped off all the dead space. I wanted to experiment with contrasting values in light. Ignore the background, I was just putting that in for last minute sketching. This sketch looks way better in person. I did my best to adjust this in PS. I have a computer with an XBrite screen so even light sketches show up easily. But I viewed my work on my other dell and I could hardly see anything. So this sketch is adjusted for viewing on all screens. As always let me know your thoughts, I will be taking them in my next piece. Later
Now I zoomed in on some key areas. I hope to show you some of the rendering up close. I tried to get as much detail in shading as I could. But once again adjusting the levels kind of messed it up. But I wanted to show you the patterns in here shorts and the hard shadow lines in the shoulders. Sorry her face has to be dark because of where the light is coming from.
Last edited by darkchild; May 28th, 2005 at 05:48 AM.
hehe hey man, im not planning on destroying it
i have some crits tho sorry
I really love the legs, feet, shoes and pants...damned sexy stuff the way you turned the left leg(bg leg)is very nicely done!
But - hehe - the upperbody do have some flaws. It is way too long. Most pinupartist make the legs longer than real life to give them a sexy look, which you did well too, but never such a long upperbody or torso (bad english). She would need some really big stomachmuscles to hold that long torso in such a pose .And what is that strange hole she has in the stomach just before the breast? I would end the torso just about where you did the shoulder shading on back i think. MInd the difference of lenght on the arms a bit more too. The front arm is very long - well because you had to draw it all the way from the shoulder placed somewhere near the moon, hehe just kidding man and touching the knee. Take a look at how small it makes the other arm look. If the paper ended there, just draw the arm going out of it - its better to draw a good looking arm, where you cant see the entire arm, then force it into the drawing making it look a bit wrong. I often hit the end of the paper and try to make it look like it was entended Make some cropped stuff come from the oppersite side of the background, like a tree or something - would balance it off ( make any sence?)Her face is a tad too big and the ear - im always looking for the ears, lol, is too small. When i draw ears i make them follow the top of the eyebrow and the bottom of the nose - dunno if its the right way to do it, but it looks right. Also i make the lips end at the middle of the eyes on both sides. Following some lines i have made in my head makes it much easier for me. The wrist on the hand on the head is very thin.
sorry for being such a nerd.
The lighning and shading is sweet man! And those pants are killing me Them legs too...hmmm. really good. get past some small flaws we all do, and you are gonna make killer drawings!!!!!!!!!
I really like the way you made the arms kinda "gummy".. mm.. gummy bears..
anywho, yeah, you've depicted the not-so-real-realistic chick!! I love it!
Don't stop with the pinups!! why oh why? I'd like to see you do some classic pinup girls.. like betty page era. there's something about their faces that I think you'd do extremely well.
So long my friend!
Hey DC, Fellah pretty much said it all. What I would do, as an excercise is put htis piece away for a week or so. Do some other stuff focusing on what Fellah said. Then, come back and rework this one (do you have a light box, I have a cheap way to build one if you don't). Rework it with following the excercises you did for the last week. You'll have a totally new perspective.
Hey there Dc!
I really like your pencils, my favorite one must be this one
She really looks vampy in a way, and thats a great thing hehe
I can clearly se progress in your work, especially the facial area, need some work but it's definatly going the right way, looking forward to see more of your stuff dude!
Hey Darkchild! Your ladies are fabulous! I like this one the most: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...pringstemp.jpg You did a great job on the background in my opinion. I have to agree with fellah on the last post, the arm looks very weird and the torso, too. Also, she could use some bigger butt! But the shading is fantastic!
Fellah: Good to hear from you. Yeah thats the first thing I noticed after I got the pic onto the forum. I said "damn that arm looks like a midget's". I'll definitely have to work on the body some more. But I'll have to find that pic and post it so everybody can compare. I glad you liked that rendering and the hot pants. But as you know more will come.
Cobi: Thanks for stopping by. Yeah I love not so realistic chicks. Probably why I'm still single. But honestly she looked like this in the photo. I saw the rendering possibilities and couldn't resist. I will look up some classic pin ups and give it a go sometime. Thanks for the comment.
hylandr2: Hey there, thanks for the comment. Yeah I'm moving on. This will be in my sketch book for later revision. I'm slowly picking up some more helpful tips from everyone.
Faust: Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you like the women because I'm still sketching them. Please check back often. Let me know any crits you might have.
Alright... moving on. Here is my next submission for to you all. I'm still reeling from the last sketch I posted. Everyone had great comments and crits. Well for this next piece I decided to reopen an avenue of my sketching fetish that hasn't seen the light of day for a long time. I am a huge fan of Masamune Shirow's work. Love the mechs and the sexy women that fit into them. Another of my fav's is Sorayama. His ultra realistic pieces are just awesome. Now I don't do anything close to them but I do enjoy machinery and women. So I decided to combine the two elements together. I know it's been done, but I got some great stuff in my head that I will be happy to sketch if you all like this. If not I'm sure you will tell me.....
Ok here goes...
...here is the whole sketch. The first thing that jumps out at me is that her head is too big and her hands are on the small side. The way the panels are open on the arms also give the illusion of being too thin. But thats my own crit. Give me yours.
This is an enlarged cutout of the head and wires. I put a little time in sketching the details.
Here is the shoulder section with the panel of the arm is exposed to show the circuitry.
Thats it for now. Crit the hell out of it. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that. I will get some of these other images out of my head later.
Last edited by darkchild; June 1st, 2005 at 04:55 AM.
Hi DC! Nice update you have there My crits: Good job on her arms and hand. Especially like the deatils you put in the tech-stuff! What bothers me are 3 regions:
- the shoulder, to be more precise, the deltoid-muscle is too big and wrong in appearance. It looks like she's a football-player or something
- the face is somewhat off. Remember that in profile, faces tend to form a curve than a block like this. The eyes are too much in the upper region, they belong in the middle of the face. That makes her head generally too long. Her overal facial structure somewhat bothers me when I look more carefully
- the lower half of the torso is too thin even for an anorectic person. You might want to draw in some ribs, too The boobs are very nice, good flow but the spine takes an unnatural direction. It looks like she's broken her back.
Sorry for criticizing so much!
Faust: Hey there. Thanks for coming back. Looks like you're the only one so far to crit the last piece. Yeah, I already knew what you were gonna say. I still have not mastered much in the ways of sketching a profile. But always learning. And the spine thing.... she's a mechanoid, she's allowed to bend in unatural positions Don't worry about criticizing too much. Thats why I'm posting here, I want to better myself on sketching. Hope to hear back from you on the next big piece. Later
Ok, well not many returned to crit on the last piece. I'm in the process of another pinup type sketch. But in the meantime I thought I would do something different and throw a few of unfinished stuff from my sketchbook. These are just small rough sketches that adorn the corners and random parts of my book. I chose a few that I liked and posted. Crits welcome, but these are just 5 minute sketches. I'll be posting soon again. Later
I liked this because it was so clean. Not much shading. Great pose. Its just so out of the ordinary for me to draw like this.
I like both these. The first has a bit of action in it and the second was a concept sketch for a bigger version, but I never found the time to redo this one. I have scanned it in pretty big for you all to look at. Anyways back to my sketching. Enjoy these for now...
Fellah: Thanks for the post. I've been checking up on your stuff. You have got some wild creativity going on. I've been trying to sketch smaller stuff. It's easier and I can turn them into larger drawings later. That girl with the smoking gun is only about 3inches tall on the paper.
Ok, here we go again. I hope some will return to crit the last few pieces. Again I have been "doodling" in my sketchbook. Most of the following sketches are between 2 to 4 inches in height. Just small drawings which I might eventually turn into more detailed stuff. But I thought you all might enjoy seeing this for a change as opposed to my pinups. I did sneak one pinup into this. I'm sure you can tell which one.
I like the one with the tattoo. Simple and clean. I've done a bunch of variations of that character in the past.
The first sketch looks like she's doing a breast exam (or for the more dirty minded, pinching her own nipple). The second was inspired by all the anime I've watched where the women are wearing impossibly short skirts that always flip up by the wind.
Ok... I'm sorry this piece turned out horrible from PS. I tried different variations in contrasts and levels. I finally had to settle for this. The problem is that the rendering is really light. The actual pic looks way better. But I will submit this for your crits. I did this with a photo reference. Now this is what I call a ghetto-booty....
Alright come and crit the hell out of these. I need those pointers and opinions. Otherwise I will never get to be a great artists like most of you. The first four were 5 minutes each. The last was about an hour. Til next time.
*drool* I love your pencil sketches
Your line work is great but i think you should work on the colouring.
Becareful with the photoshop effects, i know it's easy to get carried away with, but they are not something to use frequently.
And lastly, are you using your layers? I'm seeing alot of the gaps inbetween the lines and colour stuff going on.
Ok back again...
HunterKiiller: Hey thanks for checking out my humble sketches. I'm glad you like the women. Been drawing them for years. Just now getting better at them. Yeah my coloring sucks. I use filters only because I'm lazy and I blow through a drawing quick. I don't normally use layers on PS. But then again I haven't colored too many pics yet. I may post some PS work in here later. I'm having too much fun doing the pencils. Check back often. I'll have some new stuff up.
Fellah: ...you serious?... you mean I actually did a good job on my sketch. Awesome!! Beers all around (the good kind, not the watered down crap). You don't know what this means to me. Now there's too much pressure to deliver good sketches Thanks again!
Alright, well here's some more work. I got a little carried away this time trying my luck with some sort of background. I decided to experiment with the pencils a little more. I hope I did a good job of adjusting the levels on these. The first came out kinda light. Well without further delay on to the stuff....
Ok, I got a little more creative. I was messing around with the eraser. The other was a photo reference with some interesting shadows. I love shadows!! Had to break out the pencil and sketchbook for this one.
...and you know my day wouldn't be complete without one pinup sketch. The purpose of this was to experiment with water rendering. I hope I did a good job convincing everyone that there's an ocean behind her (what!!!?? there's an ocean??).
Well there you have it until next time. Come one come all, let me know how I did. Thanks for dropping by.
Nice stuff, you just getting better, and i see that you start to experiment some with backgrounds and other things, the bio stuff is nice, i really like the tattooed girl alot, you got it real nicelly done there, you still need to work more on the faces, but you're getting there, work work work, thats all thats needed =)
keep it up!
Hey bud, good stuff!! I've neglected your thread but had a lot to see!
Can't tell you enough how much I love the shading. I try and try but...eh, no use.
Keep up the awesome stuff and I WILL be back sooner than later!
Hey Darkchild, thanks for checking out my sketchbook. You've got some nice stuff here. My favorite is the one with the grl leaning back in the chair. You did a great job on the body. My only advice for you is to work on the faces. Some of them look a little weird. Try looking at your pictures in a mirror everyonce in awhile, You'll be able to see your mistakes. I have the same problem.
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep."
Welch's New Sketchbook
Nice stuff! Still doing girls I see, thank you for that
The girl in the shair is good but somethings wrong with her knees they look to thin and also some strange line on her belly and im not refering to the one from between the boobs and down, that one is great, but the one below it is strange... I would have skipped it. I sopose its a line round the bellybutton?
And also when I think of it, her hand on the shair. The fingers look to fat.
sorry for having so many coments...
work on anatomy studies, draw hands, draw legs and dont stop even though it's sometimes boring.
I like your stuff, keep posting!
Gridur: Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I'm glad you like what you see. Yeah my faces are still sucking. I'm on a daily quest to perfect my faces. I'm slowly getting the lips down from the fakey collegen injected look. Although I love me some Angelina Jolie lips. Anyways stop by often. I'm gonna fill this thread up with as much stuff as the bandwith will allow. Your input is always appreciated.
Cobi: Hey there. Thanks for the comment and praise. I'm still working on perfecting my rendering. I'm experimenting with different techniques. Hopefully one of these years I'll come up with something that I will like. Don't worry abou neglecting my thread. You'll just have to look through all the crap I'm posting. I see that you're still busy with work of your own. I'll be stopping by periodically to crit you stuff.
Welch99: I enjoyed looking through your SB. Thanks for coming by. I think that girl leaning on a chair was one of the best renderings I've done. You're right though the fingers were a bit stubby on the other hand. Hell it looked like someone else's fingers. Thanks for the praise and crits. I'll be working hard at my faces. Check back often.
B-Man: Back again. I'm glad, I need some more crits on my work. I looking to improve with everyones's help. I'm glad you like the women. I love the female human body. I went back to the photo for the girl in the chair and found that the extra line is the shadow of the bellybutton. I just translated it incorrectly onto paper. I'll have to be more observative in my next reference sketches. Don't worry about 'too many crits', I need it to improve. I take all of them seriously. I have been drawing for a long time (off and on for about 20 years) and I'm just now starting to improve a little. Pretty bad, eh? Well I'll hope you check back frequently.
Back again... with 2 sketches no less. I hope everyone's previous comments and suggestions went into my work. Remember to let me know what you think.
Ok... the first is a 10min sketch. It's an idea I was just playing around with. Nothing serious. You can tell the rendering is not even close to some of the other stuff. I noticed that the way the perspective was, it made the right arm seem too long. Plus the hair was too poofy. She looks like a bobble head. But I thought it would be a nice change for me to break free from my pinup hardbody big boobs for a bit and throw some other stuff at ya and see what you think. The second was a slightly more serious sketch. I know that my wings suck, I'll do some more studies on them. The body is a tad short on the girl. This was not a great sketch so no background, hence the negative space. Alright if you're still reading this I can't believe you're still awake. I tend to ramble on. Anyways crit the hell out of this. I'll be interested in hearing what everyone has to say. I'll be hitting the sketchbook again. Will be bringing more freshmeat for you to tear into. Later
Starting to get solid dude Getting the female form down good.
Still some slight problems with anatomy hehe The girl sitting on the beach has nice legs and torso, but her arms are a bit off. The upperarm is much longer than her underarm(bad english) and her hands is really tiny. If you see where the frontarm is bending and look at the other is hasnt got the same length. Feet slighty small too. The overall form is nicely done tho.
The girl in the chair(i want your magazines )has a strong quality, but take a look at the hands. One hand has fat fingers, the other has tiny slim short fingers. Fronthandfingers needs to be a bit longer.
The girl with the gun has the same difference with the hands and fingers. One hand fat the other slim. The trigger finger is very long and thin and the others are small and fat Theres difference in the length of the arms again. The head is too big.
Ahh im happy - i got to crit you again
Keep it up man - it looking good.
Fellah: Hey there.... thanks for coming back and giving me a kick in the ass. You know the funny thing was I saw those errors and yet I still scanned them in and posted. What the hell was I thinking? I should have correct it first. Anyways I hope that this next piece should make up for some of the crap here. I can always count on you to stick it to me
Ok for all those who didn't crit me on the last piece(or pieces), shame on you.... I need all the help I can get. Well I only have one sketch for tonight. I hope you like this. Again I was not happy with the previous attempt at rendering water so I researched some photos and came up with this. I'm not happy with it but I thought the view on this was so nice I'll post it anyways. If anyone has suggestions for rendering water don't hesitate to let me know. I hope to do some more water pieces to get some practice. The scan came out horrible as always....
Well here goes.....
Ok I'll crit my own work first... I tried to capture the reflective light from the water against her arms and belly. The water nearest was calmer than the stuff out towards the looming cliff. Off to the left (your left) I tried my first wave but I don't even think a surfer would even get a work out on it. Her hair is a little messed up. The only thing I forgot to put in (now that I'm writing this) is some droplets of water coming off her breasts. Her left breast also could do with some more rendering. Also the lighting is completely off. I couldn't decide where I wanted the light to come from so I stuck the sun behind the cliffs but you notice there is a significant amount of light on her face. To me it doesn't look right, sh** I hate noticing errors after the fact..... Well there you have it my 2 cents. Give me your thoughts everyone. I'll be back here sketching away. Later.
U been busy
Well, everyone, including me, seems to like sexy ladies with guns, but I think you should focus more on conveying form and accurate anatomy than stylizing everything. Look at at this way, if these women were all featureless and devoid of costumes and surroundings, could you still pull it off and make them interesting visually? I'm not saying to quit doing what you're doing, just vary your habits a little more =P Good job!
Been on vacation dude. You've been busy. I have been posting to this board long enough to know that constructive critisism pushes you harder than compliments. Hopefully This will will be enough of both. WHere to begin. Backwards forward...
Girl in water. Nice composition. Nicely done on the reflected light source. Her left should looks slightly too small as well as her ear looks slightly small.
Girl with gun. Her fingers look like that have no bones and the nose really really wide. The gun detail is really nice. Draw more guns.
Girl with wings. Wing texture seems good. From where light source is, too much of wing protruding from back is lit.
Girls in webs. Back girls left arm is curved. Her right leg also appears to be missing. Anatomy seems good on front girl. Study the planes of the face a little more. Sometimes you are missing some shading which is making the faces look flat.
Girl on chair. Dude, after I hosed off, I notices the left fingers are thicker than the right ones. The right one seem short for some reason. Her head is tipped back, but something is wrong. If her head is tilted to her left, the jaw seems to protrude to me.
Lifeguard. Looks really solid. Anatomy is good. Body position is good.
Bad girl, her shoes are on the wrong feet???
Tattoo girl...look good. Nice detail in tats.
Disrobing girl. All seems fine accept for that left hand. It looks wonky. Plus, is it supposed to look like she is squeezing her own nipple?
I hope this gives you something to consider and work on. You have good stuff and definitely talent. I do suggest trying some of the illustration activities. It makes you try stuff out of your comfort zone.
IceMoon: Thanks for the comment. Keep checking back. I have been known to revolve around those three aspects of art(mainly women). I'm glad you liked what you saw.
Keroppie: I'm glad you had a chance to check this out. I hope you were ok with the nudity. Yeah I've been busy. With all these great artists leaving me vital crits I have to keep pumping out the sketches to improve. Check back often.
Dan1989: Hey thanks for checking out my humble sketches. Yeah you're right. I haven't done any studies for years now. I use to sketch bodies all over the place, but I have long since lost those sketches In fact I didn't know what to do with the sketches after I placed a body on the paper. Now I'm trying to get some poses and tighter pencil work on them, possibly even a background. But thanks for the comment I'll keep it in mind when I sketch. Maybe I'll get back into my studies of anatomy again, and if I do you will be seeing it on this forum.
hylandr2: On vacation???? No wonder you haven't commented for so long. Well I'm glad you're back. Your just the kick in the ass that I needed. Now this is what I'm talking about. Hardcore crits. Yeah now that you mentioned it I noticed that the shoulder is too small on the girl coming out of the water. I agree with all that you wrote. Oh that disrobing girl.... that was a 5 min sketch. I didn't intend for her to be pincing her nipple. Actually that sketch was unfinished. I was originaly going to place a big tattoo over her breast, but after sketching I couldn't decide on what to tat here up with. So I left it. And you're right (along with fellah) I gotta get outa my comfort zone once in a while. But not just yet.....
Ok.... one for the road... This was a quickie sketch. Pretty simple. Keep everything dark and place a hard line for a shadow. Not much originallity I know. But I had the idea in my head for a little while. I'm working on some other stuff now. Sorry somewhat badly cropped. So here is the fresh meat for you all to tear into. I call it "A view with a room"......
Ok... My crits first: bad bad, I just noticed that there should be more shading on the breast because it's closer to the fabric of the top. I've placed a very odd cut out in the rendering on her right hip. I've must have been sleep-sketching again... Well I kept the details on her face simple only because I knew this sketch would be dark (and I'm a lazy-ass). Also should have shown the curtains all the way down to the bottom of the sketch. Well there you have it. Please let me know what errors I didn't catch. Til next time.... I'll be sketching away.... Later