i used posemaniacs and pixelovely and quickposes
i want a new site to use because i keep getting repeat poses
it doesnt have to be a site for specifically gesture drawing
i saw a blog once that somebody made with a ton of random photos good for gesture drawing but i forgot the link
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Because when drawing from a photo you tend to copy shapes. When you put pen to paper you naturally just try and draw the lines u see and the flat abstract shapes. Which is not to say that isn't totally useless.
When drawing from life, especially with quick drawings, you would have more of a tendancy to break things down into 3D blocks and build up. This helps you actually learn the object and how its built so you can construct it. Then you are actually learning the subject and you will eventually be able to play with it and rotate it and draw it from what ever angle from your imagination or from a slightly different angle from the Ref or whatever.
That's not to say you cant do that from a photo but its much more natural a feeling when you are doing it from life. When you have done enough of it though it should be much easier to get into that mode when working from photoref also.
Do both just keep in this in mind.
Its a very different way of thinking mostly in terms of 'this line is slightly longer and slightly rotated.' 'That squiggle is a bit more squigilly.' Rather than 'this boxy shape of elbow interlocks with this spheroid shape shape here'
Also note though its not that black and white, its still a continuum where both modes of thinking will be going on whatever you do.
Its crazy I was asking that question about life vs photoref a year back and Dpaint and Jeff were telling me the same thing multiple times and its only now that I am really EXPERIENCING the difference.
Last edited by Whirly; December 19th, 2012 at 05:25 AM.
Buy a wooden mannikin. Infinite gestures from the comfort of your own home.
If you to learn to draw real organic futuristic ships, draw real organic futuristic ships.
Gesture transcends human form, regardless, its not like he'll stop drawing people once he has a mannikin. It'll be a step in the right direction from doing 2D to 3D gesture work.
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http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=192127"Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."-John Huston, Director
Drawing people in real life is great, for all the reasons stated above, but drawing people in coffee shops is pretty dull. People in real life take up a very limited range of poses. Sitting standing, walking and carrying are about all you'll see. It's hard to get a feel for torsion or foreshortening or body rhythm in everyday poses.
Gesture transcends human form, that is true, it includes energy, action, intention, character and a lot of other things a wooden mannikin cannot give you.Gesture transcends human form, regardless, its not like he'll stop drawing people once he has a mannikin. It'll be a step in the right direction from doing 2D to 3D gesture work.
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A wooden mannikin can only give you so much. Its made of wood just like keanu reeves, what do you expect?
Like I said its better than sticking with 2d gesture work or twiddling his thumbs whilst he waits for his window of opportunity to visit a cafe.
Well on a serious note, you can find more dynamic poses in real life by just visiting the park or maybe even a public gym? I noticed some people are taking about capturing three dimensional form, well I have to say that in gestures you try to suggest it but the main objective is to capture the flow of the pose which wraps around a 3d form
Narrative artists have to move beyond sitting and standing. I don't see a lot of people diving towards the viewer in extreme foreshortened views where I go to sketch people. You know as well as I do that if you want to be able to draw dynamic action poses speedily and fluently you're going to have to supplement the coffee shop sketches. Maybe coffee shops are different where you live, but I suspect you are just being contrary.
Uh, hello. There are more places to draw in the real world than Starbucks.
Try public parks: people walking, running, doing yoga and tai chi, playing soccer, baseball, frisbee, messing around with hula hoops, playing fetch with their dogs, etc. etc. etc. UNLIMITED POSES.
Try beaches: all of the above plus swimming and surfing.
Try public music and dance performances: okay, got your extreme poses right there...
Try sporting events: yep, more extreme poses!
Hell, try nightclubs and dance parties - whacked-out poses AND funky outfits.
Also actual life drawing sessions if you can find any. Any good session with good models will usually include a wide variety of short poses.
(And those wooden mannikins are about as unlike real people as you can get, frankly... They have no weight, no movement, and the forms are all wrong.)
One thing you don't get from most pose sites (and definitely won't get from a mannikin,) is movement and attitude and body language. Everything that gives a pose expression and personality. Knowing how to convey moods and reactions and intentions through body language is important for most kinds of illustration and especially for animation or cartooning. Observing real people closely is one of the best ways to study how people move and act; second best might be to watch people in movies, except of course then you're watching actors so you get... acting.
Last edited by QueenGwenevere; December 19th, 2012 at 09:53 AM.
Why do people insist on being shut ins when drawing? Good art wasn't made by locking yourself in the room and limiting your perception. It was made by experiencing the world.
I like those sites, they are nice for warm-up drawings at work. When I draw my coworkers and they notice what I'm doing, they give me additional tasks because they think that I must be terribly bored .Why do people insist on being shut ins when drawing?
Also long traveling times to cafes and bars after a nine or ten hour work day prevent me from visiting public places as often as I would want to. On the weekends though...
If you don't have a kid, offer to take one of your friend's to their school disco. As you won't know anyone (being a working mother I don't) you can sit in a corner sketching away.
Sorry for digging this thread up but I have a question. What if I couldn't have a chance to sit down at park/coffee/public place to do drawing from life ? Is there any other ways I could get better on gesture drawing ? Can I practice it from TV/film ? Since I don't have much free time in day, I just wanna find out another efficient way so that my head won't get distracted and I can focus on practicing. .