Thanks for the advise! I'll follow it as if it was an universal law, also I might upload my progress soon. On the side note, I enjoyed the last post, the black and white girl, she looks interesting.
I swear, I'm alive! I entered another nightmarish period, full of work and of scarce rest and fun.
I've got a SKETCHBOOK this week! It's my first one, can you believe it?
The pages thickness is kinda ok, the best I managed to find, but it's canson paper and I really hate hate HATE their texture. I like better soft and almost-slippery layout paper.
I've been using a 4B/2B mechanincal pencil - the HB ones there are really hard and scratch easily - and I start the skecth using blue graphite then change, since when I've tried with the common one it got ugly and really dirty. Any tips to avoid the mess and render the pieces properly?
There goes the first pages, I've not seriously draw in paper for years, so there are studies from refs and even from other illustrators works while I get used to it (well, some of my original work leaked into these pages, shhhh, let's pretend no one saw it).
More studies and tests of rendering.
Now, digital work!
A retouch, her eyes were really bothering me, now they only suck!
Enviroment for a personal project
WIP, trying to figure out this one, it's supposed to be a city hidden by a waterfall. The first idea really sucks, I guess I'm going for something along the second one.
Other WIPs that have been sitting on my HD for some time. Messy, too much erasing and redrawing while thinking.
Last edited by Vielmond; May 28th, 2012 at 11:18 AM. Reason: Last sketchbook page scan update!
Really small update. I started this one with no idea at all of what I would do, I only wanted to visualize her boring face in details. I'm rather pleased with the fact I've overcame some dead ends there, but... I'm utterly bored. Wtf is wrong with me?
The colors are out of my confort zone (as many other things), but I don't like the result. I like cool highlights and hot shadows, but I'm doing it wrong, I guess. Also, it's so polished, ugh. I may finish it when with more free time, I'm well past the worst part anyway.
Besides this I'm still filling some sketchbook pages. I'm trying to absorb knowledge from the "Drawing Dynamic Hands" by Burne Hogarth, but I feel it's kinda pointless. I'm looking for something more structural and less... bumpy.
Oh, I've also made a tutorial explaining how to treat a scanned image and extract the lineart but I don't think it's interesting for people there.
Amazing thread!!...Very inspirational...
Keep posting and I will keep viewing .
@LePush If there is a angle I'm most confortable with when drawing faces it's the 3/4 angle, haha. To push myself a bit I've been trying to paint frontal or almost frontal faces since I'm blind to certain angles. The result is usually a distorted face and mild pain to be able to see and align it.
I don't want to push myself too hard with faces and lose the focus - I study many things in each illustration - so I'm not going for audacious face angles for now. I have to yet to learn to do plausible limbs and some degree of body in perspective, I've painted already too many faces while neglecting the body.
Now the updates. Don't be scared with the amount of WIP, I like to sketch ideas and save them for later after studing something I know I'm going to have a hard time painting.
First, sketchbook pages. I've finished filling the last one from my previous post and updated it.
Here goes more hands and feet (I wanted to fill a page with hands and other with feet but I was having a hard time finding feet shots).
I already feel a really timid improvement of my hands, but feet are alien to me, I still have to figure out a good way to structure them. Once I saw an amazing post here at CA sketchbooks, it had a clever way to structure both hands and feet that I wanted to try, but... I'm retarded, I didn't bookmark it. I can't find it again!
A little break because I have too many things to learn yet. Drapery, hair, rocks... etc. Posting unfinished pages is a good way to show what I'm studying at the moment and who knows, get some guidance, but does having half-blank pages annoy you?
Here they go, then I'm going back to hands e feet and to get started with arms and legs.
Weekend fun. First a small update, I'm getting more happy with this one now. Can you see where I'm going to apply my previous studies? ;D
Objective 1: Start to pratice hair. 2: Pratice a similar color palette of the previous one. 3: Discover her fucking face. She's a protagonist and so far I've been avoiding to draw her (I won't dare to sketch the male protagonists yet!). It took 4 attempts! Oh, yes, the light doesn't make sense, oops.
One of the failed attempts. I'm really bad at drawing faces using this angle.
A roughie, vizualizating some ideas for a kind of "alternative dimension". It lacks creativity, doesn't it? P.s.: HAH, she's a fucking dwarf there!
I need some pratice in weapons. Yay, WIP in it's initial stage. The idea is to do a bunch of "musical" weapons, swords and other weird things.
Another WIP. The idea is a pale and somehow glowing seashore, it's peaceful and there are ruins in the background... But it's looking kinda boring instead.
Oh, another WIP I've found, I'm playing her on a RPG. It's waiting the end of my limbs study so I can give some cool pose to her. Now it's only a floating face (do you recognize her? ;D).
Last edited by Vielmond; June 1st, 2012 at 02:53 PM. Reason: I've filled the last sketchbook pages.
Very nice work .....your girls are smexy and beautiful!!
i love how the girl of your alternate dimension glows in the front but not in the back
I really look forward to your seashore-wip being taken further. looks lovely already, thought i'm most interested in how the water will look, because at the moment it looks like you barely sketched it out
@Flügel Yup, it's only sketched, I'm curious about how the water is going to look like too, hahaha! I've changed it's colors three times, I think, and there were many rocks on it that I ended erasing for now. My greatest concern is being able to give depth to the sea.
Updates from this week. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to draw things this weekend and work more on my last WIPs. ;|
I've managed to fill up the pages I've posted last weeked, the ones from my real sketchbook. So, I've updated the last post. No new pages for now.
First, I've decided to test this "thumbnail thing" for the shore, haha. Surely takes less time to check out some compositions.
Not sure if I should really add this ruin bit, it's going to be kinda distracting and breaks the flow.
Now... It's funny, I said I wouldn't dare to sketch a male yet, but I've found an old and forgotten WIP and felt... so... tempted. So I reworked it and did others. They're just floating heads with awful necks (note to self: Focus on male necks).
The first guy father, it's a wip and I think I'm going to take it a bit further than just a head. I've never dared to draw him before, wrinkles confuses my damaged brain, hah.
I'm trying to find a more confortable way to draw using a tablet, my digital sketches are usually awkward, I feel more confortable sketching in paper. Here I've tried to use a solid background and the brush with blending. It kept the strenght but it sucks for painting.
I've grabbed an old WIP and tried again, using blue and retracing later. It may not work for every piece, the lines lose their strenght and movement.
Some fixing, this is how it would more or less look like if finished.
Then... decided to go a little further with this piece and now I'm fucked. I suck at foreshortening, dynamic poses and I'm almost as bad with drapery. I know about the arms, I would fix them, the problem are the legs and the dress, they're awkward. T_T
Ber outfit is more accurate in the second option, but then she becomes a blob.
Le quick follow up (it's a thumb, I didn't dare to play with the full version yet)... Surely looks more interesting now, but it doesn't look like if she's curved, but crouching/sitting. I'm almost happy because even with it's flaws I'm daring to paint it, I'm so... uhm, fearful? When it comes to dynamic poses, characters inserted in environments and such things.
I still have to figure out how to make the city below, it should be a city in fire, but shouldn't be too distracting.
This week's update is small, no time to draw personal things and of course I can't show my freelanced work - only after the release, that may take place years from now... =.='
So, more sketchbook pages. I'm starting to feel more confident about drawing hands and even feet (a little, hahah). I'm not "better" or "accurate" yet, but, still, I'm happy. I'm starting going up these damn limbs to get used to their shapes.
The funny thing is that drawing hands is a huge stress reliever for me!
And some random doodles, earlier concepts for a creature I might use on the project I'm brewing. I always switch subjects when studying, to keep my mind sane.
Oh, quite-unrelated-to-art fun time:
It's a "rune" alphabet. It's still an early version and it's loosely based on the Yiddish one, which is so beautiful!
I still have no idea of how proceed in this one, the feedback I've received wasn't that useful. Things like "this is wrong, that is wrong" aren't really helpful, I already know this and would draw them right from the start if I knew how. *sigh* F*cking drapery...
Obs: It's a thumb, I'm only going to work on a HQ version after figuring how to deal with the foreshortening problems.
Here goes some different angles with minor variations that I've sketched to explain the pose to some people:
yeah realy cool in here, you are getting better and better with the lighting. Here for exemple => http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...9&d=1337701523 the diffuse light on her face look just great ! you realy want to put a black veil over it ? /O/
Thank you! I'm really trying to break away from my limits.
Observation: it should be "woman keep it up ", teeehe.
I love little details and faces. This character isn't supposed to go around showing her face everywhere, so I must force myself to cover it... It's painful! ō.o'
I've filled the other page... Fungly.
A really quick & half-assed single-layer study from life. 10-15min.
Do you guys remember this shameful piece of crap that I've discared?
I'm going to try again, finally. I need some time, a bit more of
RAMpatience since I'm trying to do it with a print quality (any tips about resolution, bleeding etc?) and to take a photo for ref. Stupid half-assed planning/coloring test:
It can be said that I'm toying with many crazy ideas for the next year.
Here goes a a crude technical test, I've never made any comics and I have no idea of how port my style into this kind of work.
(obs: yes, I turned around her mouth by accident, hahahaha, I suck!)
Last edited by Vielmond; June 13th, 2012 at 02:43 PM.
Beautiful work i think you have womens faces nailed down. 4 star only ? This should be 5 going vote now. Looking forward to more to come.
Edit. Just voted 5 star bought your stars up from 4 to 5 with my vote. Misson accomplished
There's some mighty work in here! Where'd you get your training? Books? If so, which ones?
Light Shines best in the Dark.
Deviant Art Account
love the variety in your work
are you aware that your username in german means "manymoon"?
friends Sketchbooks:Dile_, Stine
my flickr go there if you want to see my photography stuff
<mildly sarcastic remark that seems a little cutting at first read, but contains wisdom and is really rather funny>
Ilaekae: "I'm sick and tired of "purists" who dictate their own anal preoccupations to everybody else as the word of gods."
comics are actually really fun. Force you to do all sorts of stuff, forces consistency and you have to consider some new things when trying them. Especially simplicity. Since do a few pages full quality and see how long it takes. and it's a narrative instead of random pictures.
I'd be interested to see what you can crank out though. Not enough comics around here. You can learn just from watching other people learn lol
What, does my SB have any rating? I never noticed, I didn't expect it, and I'm already happy with a 4-stars. Now, 5-stars... Wow, thank you very much! It's this kind of support that makes me to wish to improve more and more, so I can become worthy it!
I like to read books sometimes, but they don't actually work for me. I only learn to draw something when I find a confortable way to "structure". You can see this by looking at the first hands I've sketched on my real-life sketchbook and the later ones.
I hadn't a structure at mind at the first ones, spent too much time, was relying on (a bad) shading too because they didn't look quite right and solid. The same thing is valid for the feet.
Now, this structure I can find on books... or other artists works. I love to stalk people's SBs here, to see how they study, how they structure their character's anatomy, etc. You learn a lot looking at other people's works. Then, having this knowledge I try to draw from life until my hand fall off, to get used to the shape. When feeling confident enough I start to pull some gestures from imagination.
I would take classes too if I could find good ones where I live. :<
Vielmond is my last name. I think it came from a misspelt "Vieux Monde" which means "Old World" in french. The french portion of my name is "Le Brun de Vielmond (Vieux Monde)", something like "brunette/brown from the old world".
It's curious that it became something that can be actually translated in another language. Hmm... "brunette from many moon"? Hahaha, sounds cool too!
I know, right! I'm the pr0-lurker there, I love to watch how other artists work and study to absorb their knowledge. And yeah, one of the points of doing a comic is to work with something I'm not used to, and work out how to tell a story using images and such.
I'm not going to start it immediately, I'm gathering the necessary knowledge first, but I'm definitely going to give it a try!
A wild way-too-busy week appears! Sorry, only two pages from my sketchbook by now. I have to keep up with my average new page each 2.3 days, and I wish to increase to 1page/day. If I only had time... ō.o'
Let's see if I can work a bit more on one of my WIPs this weekend.
A bigger break from anatomy studies to try to render some elements... + profiles, I'm really bad at profiles. Sorry, these pages are so messy, and the thing I liked most, the door (lol!) got blurry on the scan. I don't own a moleskine. xD
i get the impression you're really hard on yourself. your work is beautiful and i get inspired each time i come here, which is worth keeping in mind even if your work doesn't reach your own expectations.
nice idea using the pale colour sketches before outlining it with pencil, i might try that. your anatomy is much better than mine, and any pointers i would much appreciate
you have some really nice stuff here mate id keep it up for sure, as for you being your own hardest critic that's fairly normal with everyone its also a great thing because it can be a great motivator if looked at in the right light. As for personal critiques im also a artistic nooby (probably more so than yourself) so ill offer critiques from what iv noticed mainly that it seems your alittle hesitant to go really dark with some of your colors and shading try doing a dark piece with some really interesting lighting maybe you will like it (plus it might help with those earlier shading problems you commented on). Im glad im not the only one that cant find live classes where I live it seems like small towns are a beginner artists nightmare for that sort of thing.
I'm glad I'm able to somehow inspire you. I think the main tip I can give is to draw, draw and draw more! But be careful or you may end with some pain in your hand like me, lol.
You must try to understand how the body works, not only copy your references. When you discover a confortable way to sketch the first lines, the "skeleton" of what you're going to draw things start to move faster and smoother.
Thanks! I'm happy my silly doodles serves to any purpose, heheh.
I'm quite surprised. My traditional stuff, good? Precise? Nooo way! I always feel so lost, and I have yet to learn how to sketch as I wished, I look at my sketches and think of how brute and shadeless they look.
If you're suggesting to just throw more black my illustrations to make them darker the answer is no. I refuse to do it, shadows in fact are colorful, they're not lower values from the same color, doing them with just more black would only get them dirtier.
Now, if you're suggesting to do shaper shadows I agree, I have yet to play with this. I won't right now, it's on the list but the "dark pieces" time has already passed, I'm going to revisit it and play with sharper shadows whn I feel like, heheh.
And I don't live on a small town, what only makes things worse. I can find a plenty of classes for starters, they're common (and many of them are just bad). But something that goes deeper about anatomy? Nope.
I went to university, doing design, but there I had to took some life drawing classes. Oh my god, all the teacher ever allowed we to do were quick 15-30s gesture drawings. He never spoke of anatomy and always left the class alone, he literally went away and only came back at the end, the model was in charge of the time and changing poses, lol. It happened a whole semester... *facepalm*
I think I should stop wasting time with useless things, haha. I'm right-handed, and while I've been feeling some amount of pain on this hand half of my left hand has been always a bit numb. Ugh... I may take easy on my work/study while I wait for the consult I've scheduled to check these problems. There goes my lastest pages, I'm really ashamed of them. ^^'
I was training movement and elements when... Korra happened. Sorry! Then i decided to figure out some faces...
Feeling guilty I've trained a bit of "foreshortening" on faces, I'm really bad at them. The second page is an attempt to draw the same character in different ages and situation, but I'm not liking her look.
Applied the changes from the color thumb and tried to figure out the sea. I know the sea color doesn't make sense... But I still want a white sky. *sigh*
Oh, I may move the girl a bit to recover some of the visual flow.
Doodle to don't let an idea I had to outfit be forgotten. I know it's plain bad and messy, and I guess only I am able to understand it by now. The idea is to mix "holy" cloth elements with witch-like ones. Her main color is, supposedly purple-blue, but I always end slipping to brown when working with feathers. :<
I like you cause you're not lazy like me.
Are you still using SAI or are these with PS? The rough brush strokes are all in PS? At what point do you switch from one to the other? (I am really lazy when I have to switch back and forth, do you do it a lot for one picture?)
I should have something to critique you with and yet I ask you for tips hahaha I'm sorry. I can't find fault with your art though so I'm not sure what to suggest.
Nice work, here. Great comps and choice of colors.
Hello Veilmond! Last time we spoke you said you would be glad to help and give advise about a subject and well lately I've noticed I've been having problems with hands, feet, body proportion, and worst of all faces. Please reply whenever you have time and thanks beforehand! On the side note, I love how the little girl from post #93 is coming out.
It's a hell of a late reply, I'm sorry about disappearing... I've been through many things these last months, a new job, a sinusitis that came back every month and the most serious, my father had a stroke. These months were a though time but finally everything is falling in place and I'm really happy.
Oh, and I just left my job, hahaha! I thought carefully and the pros were bigger than the cons. I'm going to focus on studies now so I'm able to get to the middle/end of 2013 with a better portfolio and fish better freelances. I'm not going to stay still only studying, people always come to me saying how they love my coloring and such. I'm far from great, but why not try a new thing and teach? I'm going to give some classes for fellow brazilians (because my english sucks!) and check out how it works.
First: Thanks for the messages and the support. I'm glad you like my work and I promise tho give my best so I can create things worthy of your kind words! I'm going the sketchbook of the people who requested, if you still around. :<
@Elciled I still use SAI. I usually switch when I need a serious color tweaking, to apply texture using different filters or use an elaborate brush. Since I use the same brush 99% of the time it doesn't happen often.
@Zero I'm rather awkward with proportions too. My feet and legs are the worst of all, and any kind of foreshortening confuses me. What I can say is that when I find a confortable initial structure to draw something all get easier. My hands aren't so crippled as before if I watch them. I usually do them like this now (sorry about the really half assed 30s doodles, I held my hand in air as model, not clever):
1. A box for the palm. It's more or less easy to twist it, so it's helpful to stick with a box.
2. Mark where the fingers are going to come out.
3. Sticks for the fingers general direction and dots for joints. Use a line to align them when needed, to avoid lousy proportion errors.
4. General outline of the fingers. Now it's time to think about foreshortening and other nightmares.
5. Now you go on cleaning up and fixing.
Let me show some few things I've done meanwhile, not so much cool stuff since I passed like 2 months only working, but oh well, it's an update anyway!
Some of the things I've done at my job (which I just left hhaha). The best stuff, concept art-ish is the most recent and god knows when I'm going to be able to show them... (the people were draw by the previous illustrator, so were the trees assets on the maps)
Old stuff from January, to a dead game of another company.
Some pages of my sketchbook, more studies. I really don't remember half of the sources anymore, I only know there is some cellar fcp stuff there.
Misc studies and tests
A WIP I've been lazily fixing and playing with. Familiar?
Illustrations... The last one is a thanks for all the support I've been receiving, for crazy people who somehow like my work. It means a lot for me!