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I'm interested in seeing how will they develop this product further.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Yiynova had no pen tilt/rotation recognition...unless that's what you meant by a "few extra comforts" on the Cintiq.
Also, I'm unclear about the Kingtee 19MB displays. Are there different versions with that model number?
Can anyone confirm that tilt recognition exists on either the Yiynova or Kingtee?Pen tilt angle,: + / - 40 degrees ( from the vertical )
Pen tilt series: + 60 level ( from the vertical )
Lastly, the 19MB and 19MC differ only with the rotating stand, is that right?
I bought a Yiynova 19" back in January, and I love it. Having never used a Cintiq before, I really don't have anything to compare it to but I like it much more than using a tablet. I'm so much more precise.
I did as much research as I could (which isn't much), but really couldn't justify buying a Cintiq. I'm glad I went with the Yiynova. It doesn't have all the fluff of a Cintiq, but for now it does the job.
No rotation. I believe there actually is a model out there that does have a rotatable stand, but I didn't get that version. I think it's 50 more dollars?
No tilt recognition as far as I can tell. This isn't something that bugs me personally, but I'm sure it would annoy some people.
Pen is a bit heavier then a Wacom pen. It holds a battery, just takes some getting used to.
It didn't take long to set up at all. Although, I advise against the drivers that come on the CD. They are old and outdated, I used the ones from the Waltop site. Installed, calibrated, changed the pressure settings and was good to go.
Haven't had any issues! I'd definitely recommend it for people who want a cheap alternative. That said, I will buy a Cintiq when I have the money.
Just ordered my yiynova, I'll post a video review and some footage of drawing with it sometime later next week when it arrives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UZyvsRrUTY link to a short line demonstration. Please read the description too. C:
Also a Q&A from someone on youtube which prompted me to make the video:
Yes. Yes and no. Well, it's a mixed bag. An altogether positive experience, though.can you tell me if having the yiynova enhanced your drawing experience? Like does it speed up your production and make things more enjoyable?
On the plus side, it's a wonderful LCD with great color and contrast and you wont be able to get that with any kind of cintiq except the 24hd, which is extravagantly expensive.
On the plus side pressure is all there, 1024 levels, same you'd get from pretty much any other tablet.
On the downside, even the best drivers for this thing suck. Someone's working on a homebrew driver that fixes it though. I think that's only for mac, sadly.
Because of the poor drivers you cant expect to be pixel accurate. I used to use my wacom stylus for EVERYTHING. Now I switch to mouse for my animation work where I need to precisely drag keyframes in a graph editor.
And as far as I know waltop and wacom drivers dont play nice together. Some people have gotten it to work though... It would be tricky.
Another thing wrong with the driver is pressure mapping. When you set it to soft, which feels most natural, it just lops off the first chunk of pressure values so softest pressure = normal 25% pressure. Which is bad. It should be taking off intervals, and have an in/out curve to calculate how to handle soft/firm settings.
I had to switch to Illustudio for my illustration work, and leave PS for my photorealistic work. PS sucks now. To get all the pressure, I need to set it to firm, and that is basically arm killing over an amount of time. I set it to soft and just live with the loss of some sensitivity for PS.
In illustudio however they let you remap your pressure and it's bliss. Not only do the brushes allow you to enable smoothing to get rid of that little jink in the lines, but you can control the pressure levels for any tool. It's great.
SO. In closing. Yes, it has helped my drawing. If I didn't animate in maya using precise keyframe manipulation/need photoshop for a living, and was relying on my illustration to pay the bills, then it'd be wonderful. But for me this investment was for my illustration side job and I wasn't expecting it to actually help in any other areas. It hurt those other areas, but only just a little, though it's more accurate to say I had to adapt to using a mouse for some precise things, something I haven't done on my own computer in 7 years.
People say that drawing on the screen is magical etc. You don't feel like it at first, it really does take a few weeks to realize just how much easier and faster and overall nicer it is. Illustudio+Yiynova is probably better than cintiq + photoshop, simply because you have better screen quality. It's on par. I haven't tried a cintiq ever, but I'm judging from the idea of this thing, except with the feel and tracking of one of their intuos', which was pretty damn good.
So yes. It's sped up my production and drawing is more enjoyable! I don't feel like I'm missing much. The problems come from software, not hardware, and I don't regret my purchase one bit. I'm happy to know there are people working to remedy the small problems that come with it. I would recommend it to every other artist out there.
I was going to do a video review sometime this month but I have a big deadline coming up so I don't want to spend too much time on one atm. I'll shoot something real quick for you to reassure you on the points I made.
Well I know Cintiqs use IPS panels, so when you rotate or move it, do you get a lot of colors going to black? If so, that's another reason why Cintiqs cost more.
The viewing angle on the monitor is pretty good. There's an IPS panel just across from me, the viewing angle is certainly not as good as an IPS, but I never notice it when drawing.
It's BRIGHT and crisp though, and that's mainly why I say it's better than the cintiq's. I haven't used one, but most everyone who goes to discuss the cintiq's brightness, contrast, and color levels, say they need to check everything on another monitor because the cintiq is muddy and has overpowering reds. This is the monitor you would check things on, haha! I do a ton of color work so it's soothing to know how accurate this thing is. I spent a good hour or more making sure it was as calibrated as possible the day I got it, and it rivals some of the apple displays I've used in terms of crispness and brightness.
Only complaint about the lcd is there is a bit of inherent sharpness I'd rather turn off, that I can't, that it doesn't need. There are 3 settings: sharp, too sharp, and oh god my eyes. You don't notice the faint sharpness, but its there. It's not there unless you go looking for it. And as a freelancer who used to depend entirely on money made from doing pixel art, where too much monitor sharpness would distort the end product, I can say that it isn't even enough to mess with single pixel details. I am just wondering why there isn't an off option for that.
This product is just too close to perfect. The hardware's build quality and actual pressure are great, the only qualms are with the driver and some questionable interference from the monitor which causes the jitter. It only substantially lacks in the software department. I feel like the Cintiq's cost is like Apple products in that you pay mostly for the brand. And that's justifiable, because wacom's products are what some would call perfect. But $1500 more, for probably just the last 10%? Sure, it's what you need to de facto pay, but the principle of the thing is wrong to me.
I just ordered myself a yiynova 19" off of Amazon.
kingtee does nothing for me. I am strictly Mac. My pen tablet comes in on Thursday.
I can't wait.
Overall, the cintiq isn't worth the extra 1500 bucks in my opinion. If i can get the same product for a quarter the price minus a few creature comforts, I'm all for it.
I'm not even slightly nervous about this purchase. I'll post more when i get to play with it a little.
I am on a MAC too and have been awaiting your review.
www.findphil.com for a look at my older stuff
www.facebook.com/vig.illustrationgraphics for recent stuff
http://velikan.tumblr.com/ for the latest up-to-the-minute stuff, and process nonsense
And finally, http://www.here-there-be-monsters.net/ is the place to be if you want to buy some of my work that has been kitted by the talented hand of Dave.
For what its worth, this custom driver in development for mac makes it perform better than it does on windows with the official driver, which is the best so far on any OS. I wish this was being made for windows, too, but apparently that's a bit trickier.
Now I understand that if you have never used more than a normal graphics tablet that drswing on the screen is a whole new exciting world!
But if you have been using a Wacom Cintiq for over 6 years and then start using a Bosto tablet you will be in for a total let down.
I feel I wasted $799 that could have went to purchasing a "real professionals tool".
Don't make the mistake I did.
Why you ask? Ok lets begin.
- There's a full 1/4 inch gap between your stylus and the screen, not a big deal you say? Try editing selections in PS.
- The stylus has 2 buttons but ONLY one button is enabled/works. Seems to me an amateur B-grade thing to have in a product.
- The calibration is horrible, and you will never be able to click easily up to the edges of the wide screen.
- The stylus is so stiff (no matter what sensitivity settings I choose) that I always have to click 2-3 times.
- Right clicking is ridiculous, you have the right click menu popping up all the way across the screen half the time.
- If something goes wrong, guess what it costs to send back to China?
Shipping of $165 and ONLY 1 year warranty (good because I couldnt afford to send it to China too many times! (vs Wacom's 2 year warranty and paid shipping to and from)
- Keep in mind, if you try it and don't like it like me. It will cost you $165.00 S/H + 10% restocking fee(another $70)!
So almost $250 loss to try this product and see if Im wrong.
Save your money for a Wacom Cintiq, it is well worth professional quality.