And sorry if my questions are dumb, but I just like knowing these things because I don't want to fail at something I want to spend the rest of my life doing.
Also, you could tell me if my question/s are becoming horrible or you don't think are the least bit necessary for anyone to answer, just don't leave any cynical responses, please.
Sometimes I'm satisfied with my pieces but that only lasts for a few milliseconds before I see someone way better than me and I realize there's always going to be infinitely more that I need to learn.
I still don't consider myself a good artist. All I can say is that you've got to be a serious student before you have a chance of becoming a good artist. Getting paid for work doesn't mean anything, in itself, since there are plenty of generic and cheap pros.
"Beliefs are rules for action"
"Knowledge is proven in action."
"It's use is it's meaning."
I'm not a 'savant like super talent', but I always had a lot more artistic ability then general public.
As for being a good artist, I'm nowhere near it, but barely starting to try and head in that direction.
Something that one of my current art foundation teachers said not too long ago after I asked him "Now that you've seen my work in action last semester and a part of this, does it make sense for me to go to a major art school, or would I be eaten alive?"
His response was something to the effect of: 'Not only would you do good, you would do fantastic. You have enough talent, but even more importantly you have the heart and the drive for it. in 35 years of teaching I've seen a number of people who are EXTREMELY talented, and did nothing with it, because they took it too nonchalantly, and fell off the wagon.'
I'm thinking maybe late next year...
Sorry but I haven't reached triple-digit age yet.
No position or belief, whether religious, political or social, is valid if one has to lie to support it.--Alj Mary
Ironically, the concept of SIMPLICITY is most often misunderstood by simple-minded people. --Alj Mary
I'm with Hokusai here so with me it is to be seen but it sure as hell isn't anytime soon. And honestly I don't think that's a question really worth thinking about at least for too long. I mean, what does it matter to anyone else when others considered themselves as good artists of if they even do?Since the age of six I have had the habit of sketching forms of objects. Although from about fifty I have often published my pictorial works, before the seventieth year none is worthy.
This thread is not a part of the carpet.
At least Icarus tried!
My Process: Dead Rider Graphic Novel (Dark Horse Comics) plus oil paintings, pencils and other goodies:
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The problem with labels like 'a good artist' is that they suggest there are easily definable levels of artistic skill. In practice, we all have the goal to eventually be 'good' or even 'great', but our requirements for achieving that status move as we develop. This isn't an MMO where you can just look at your character sheet to see what level you are and how much xp you need to get to the next one. (Wouldn't that be awesome btw? "Oh yeah, I'm level 12 painter but only level 3 in sculpting. I'm gonna go grind some skill points because I'm almost to level 4.")
That was always one of my concerns, I have some talent, but I'm not super talented 'I can draw like the pros before even a single lesson' kind, so when I was young.... 5 to about 20 years of age, completely bought into my family discouraging me and pushing me into another career. Also I grew up in a different (communist) country where the opportunities were not that were all that easy to come by.
Then for the following 25 years I settled for 'meh, I'll just play with artsy craftsy things on my own, for entertainment'.
Since the recession started and I no longer have the high llama corporate job and there aren't that many around, and I have little time on my hands I decided to take couple art classes to see where I would fit in. Well, to my big surprize I learned that I am a lot better then I thought. I fully expected to be at the bottom of the classes. Just the opposite is happening, only the few super talents are ahead of me so far.
If you have some talent, and the drive and love for it, and learn good habits (I'm assuming you're pretty young), you will do just fine.
Also, after you take a few classes, you will get a better feel for whether it's something for you or not. Switching courses of study is not the end of the world.
There are moments when I think I'm a good artist. They tend to pass quickly.
i'm a terrible artist. i'm a pretty decent draw-er though.
I drew in perspective as young as 5 and was genuinely super gifted.
But it didn't mean much in terms of being an artist. I wasn't.
I got into one of the best art schools in Britain on that talent.
But I wasn't an artist.
With the possible exception of a handful of works I still don't think I'm that much of an artist in terms of what I've done in painting.
I've found that quality has most potently come out in mediums I have a lot less natural talent for...
So there's a lesson in itself!...
From Gegarin's point of view
I have good days and bad days.
I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).
The reason why these questions may be annoying is sort of like being in a car with the kids in the back constantly asking "are we there yet?"Also, you could tell me if my question/s are becoming horrible or you don't think are the least bit necessary for anyone to answer, just don't leave any cynical responses, please.
This is a long process. You need to take more initiative on researching things on your own. Go back and read the other forums that have a lot more information and don't treat "Art Discussion" as "DEAR ABBY" ...This advice may seem mean on its face, but it really is solid here. I lurked for about 2 years before I registered for an account because this site has a lot of information. There area a lot of areas that were inspiring, and a lot informative. When I did get an account, I was hesitant on asking questions not so much that the site was "OH MY GOD ALL THESE PROS" but I realized if I sat back and read, a lot of the info I was about to ask was already stated.
One day a roommate told me about a book he found at a yard sale. Art & Fear. Ironically, a few days later Elwell mentioned the title of the book again so since it rang a bell, I bought the book. It actually addressed a lot of the philosophy and frustrations I had when drawing. I realized I was using a lot of questions or reasons as excuses. The problem is mostly me. I only will get better if I keep putting more time into things. I need to be more thoughtful of how I spend my time in drawing, and deal with a lot of crap drawings. While time is limited for me to draw, I try to do some drawing at work, but it's limited - it's no longer a good idea for me to go on the forum and look for answers on "how much time do I need to spend to be a good artist" It comes when it comes and how much time I put into it.
Meaning that, too often artists get impatient, rush here for advice that isn't really summed up in a forum thread. Everyone's process is different. That's why there are so many threads that have so much info, or people asking the same questions and not thinking things through.
A lot of artwork is research as much as drawing.
On another note, if you're not taking notes on your studies, shame on you. You need to remember why you're doing studies and what you learned from them. So write what you're doing down along with the studies you're doing.
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My goals and ambitions keep going higher and higher so I never really sit and feel completely satisfied with myself. I feel as though I am good at things within the realm of art but since art is so complex and versatile, it's hard to accurately assess my skill as an artist in general.
I tend to not worry about such broad questions. I have that luxury since I am mostly a hobbyist.
Note - I think determining if you're a good artist and determining if you are suitable for a position or a freelance gig are two different things. The latter is a focused question that you have enough information to answer.
I'm always trying to be a good student... then I know if I try hard and do my jobs... one day I'll be at least ok level. Also I'm never thinking about myself as an artist... I'm always trying to research methods, ideas , concept and new abstractions..
"What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing." Oscar Wilde
I think the only time I've ever thought highly of myself as an artist was in kindergarten when the teachers would praise every little scribble you did and I was being paid quarters to draw pokemon for other kids.
Being introduced to art galleries, the masters, CA.org and others, it's a humbling experience and I have been pretty much put into place.
I still have years of studying, practicing and many more trial and error before I can think I can even consider the title of "great artist." Even then, would it be my own decision?
I know from a separate website some people didn't like it when I posted every one of my art works, because if that too is annoying than I should come back when I'm way better like everyone else on this forum
When I was 12 I tough I was one of the most awesome artists out there.
Then I realized that wasn't true at all.
I can understand that some people could consider my art good, but at the same time I see where I really stand. It all comes up to what you define as good.
For me; good is the low end of awesome. Good is where most pro's are, and I would guess that they realised it when they got there.
So make up your mind. Either go full speed ahead, or choose another path. ^_^
Good art is relative, not just in comparison between present work to past work or to the works of other artist, but also the concept of good and artistic varies from person to person. So to measure something that is relative, you need to establish a standard. A more appropriate question might be why do you see yourself as a good artist or how long it took you to get where you are.
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Twinkle, twinkle little star
I don't wonder what you are
For by spectroscopic ken
I know that you are hydrogen - Ian D.
Good work is made through lots, and lots of bad work
As to the actual question, maybe in 17 years?