Hello CA I'm hoping you can shed your beautiful light on a very frustrating situation.
I live in Scotland and I'm currently studying product design at Edinburgh Napier University but turns out I really don't like the course.
I want to be an artist and I've been looking through the UK universities and art schools for a course.
Now my goal is to end up in the realms of concept art (shock) which requires great traditional skills and understanding of anatomy perspective etc. traditional training essentially, something the UK seems to not have???
From my pretty in depth research it seems that UK art = crazy contemporary art. I looked at the American schools which looked great but I dont have £80,000 to go study at ringling.
My question is: Can you recommend any UK art institutes/courses for developing the skills to be a strong artist? Because I can't find one they all want the crazies to make splatter paintings and balls of yarn.
Thank you in advance!!
Huh? any traditional art school will give you the required education man, come on, dont come and tell me UK doesnt a have a single Art school, that will teach you the foundations of art, cause thats a load of bull.
Most art schools will teach all the basics required to become a strong artist, unless the program is very specialized to something in particular.
Come on.. you can try a little harder ... dont come here to be spoonfed
Rem I didn't want to come here because it shouldn't be a problem but it is. The UK is really lacking in courses with an emphasis in traditional training, yes they will do a little bit but I could get that at a night class.
The Italy Atelier type stuff = non existent in the UK from what I can see and someone having a solution to that is what I was hoping for.
There are a few private atelier type schools recently set up where one can get the sort of training in competent drawing and painting skills (which are more commonly available now in the US):
London Atelier of Representational Art http://www.drawpaintsculpt.com/
Lavender Hill Studios http://www.lavenderhillstudios.com/index.php
Louis Smith http://www.louissmithportraits.co.uk...nting-lessons/
Nicholas Beer http://www.sarumstudio.com/
I'm not aware of any similar in Scotland, and would be grateful to anyone who brings suitable courses to my attention.
The Academy of Realist Art is in the process of making its way to the UK. (Edinburgh hopefully) and if you check out the website and sign up to the mailing list, you will be kept up to date. www.academyofrealistart.co.uk
This is traditional atelier training of the highest standard and has a direct lineage to the 19th century French Academies. The student work on the Toronto or Boston websites really speak for themselves!
Ah thanks a lot for the info! I'm now subscribed to their mailing list this is very interesting Thank you all for the help!
I am also 17, living in edinburgh. I am currently in the process of applying to UNIs. I am just going to apply to some universities so that I don't miss the deadline if I can't find any suitable ateliers (traditional schools) to study at. Right now I am applying to Oxford Ruskin, The Slade, Camberwell, Glasgow (which is pretty good and free for scottish students) and Edinburgh. I reckon they'll leave me alone enough so that I have 3 years of teaching my self all the fundamentals of art.
The london atelier is great but the cost of it is crazy if you think about the fact that you'll be paying for accommodation and living in London. That'll be at least 25K for two years
If anyone else has other suggestions then please keep us informed
The OP and others are absolutely right. I can find no UK school which trains that way.
On the other hand thanks ewanmcn for the ARA heads up. It'd be great to see that come to Britain.
Im starting at the lavender hill school in Jan, I have looked at LARA aswell. Both are different. LARA heavily uses the sight sizing method which is not what I am after, lavender hill does not on the otherhand. It would be VERY important, for you to contact any you are interested in a visit all of them , it will greatly influence your choice. As it did mine. All of the school should be more than willing to invite you down and talk to you.
Best of luck
I would like to reiterate the terrible situation that is the UK arts education. Many if not all good art schools taught the principles we are after up until the 1950's when it was all thrown out, literally as well as metaphorically- goldsmiths, st martins and the RA to an extent chucked all of their casts used by students to learn from away, did away with the time tested schooling to a more get rich uick , artys fartys approach (yer Im biased). It has really stayed that way for 60 years, which is ironic really when post modernist art (which we are still in/ nearing the end) was about new ways of thinking.
It has lead to a fairly predictable arts ed where students- speaking in my experince- want to break away from traditional arts education, I mean after 60 years of this you would have thought people would get bored?
I think mainly the reason it has stuck this long is that its easy to teach, its easy to say explore your inner self and that nothing is wrong only 'may you could use a bolder colour to go with that jaunty line.'- paraphrasing.
The worst thing is when people are always after their own bloody style, I want to find myself stuff like that, urgh grates me. They dont seem to realise becoming artists invovles more than a few hours a week at school and 3 years in a degree its a life long process of discovery and damned hard work. Which is another thing thought of as pointless by many of my former fellow foundation students, but then this arts education breeds that kind of complacency and its not going to get any better under a tory government which is fairly indifferent to culture in or out of recession. Hey dont get me wrong though I got absolutely hammered a fair bit, spent probably days just lying on the beach blazing (although I have found mary jane helps motive me if Im in a working enviroment- i.e. on my own closed off from others and allowed to concentrate. It worked for Carl Sagan and definitely works for me)
We had life drawing at fally but it was more of a novelty than a serious artistic development point, most went once and thats it, but then the teachers werent trained either really and it was never a great set up for constructive learning.
Anyway thats my veiw from a former art student, I am 100% glad I did not do a fine arts degree I would have hated it, Im glad I will be doing something that furthers myself both personally and artisticly.
I have to agree with you about the state of art schools on this side of the pond. I'm currently enrolled in art and design in Ireland and have been sorely disappointed by it.
My own fault for not researching enough and for not realizing the "contemporary" nature of it.
In the first week they told us "it does not matter if you can draw, because that is irrelevant". I'm not sure this is an idea I'd like to base a career around...
I can't speak for courses in the UK but I find that these contemporary art courses lack structure and discipline.
To the OP, I would def look into atelier-type schools that are more focused on skill and technique.
It would be amazing to study in the US but the price tag attached makes me wonder if the debt and stress would be worth it.....
I have found myself silently wishing I could win the lottery on more than one occasion though.....
The situation is the same in all of Western Europe. It's a bit frustrating when American students, being ignorant of Art History, still think Europe is some promised land for representational/classical art. The tradition was broken. Modernism is still the order of the day here. Many of the old academies are still here but only in name. They are now places that subscribe to the 'disregard fundamentals, acquire meaning' way of thinking. One only needs to look at the graduates from the Royal Academies compared to the ones a 100 years ago.
Classical is coming back but it's still in a very early stage. The established atelier schools like the ones in Florence aren't all that. Those schools don't have a strong direct link to the European traditions and were founded by American artists. They are basically American schools in Europe. Them being located in Florence seems more like a marketing gimmick to attract rich American students. There is no connection to Italian or Renaissance art in their programs. They barely even study the art around the city. They claim to present the secrets of the masters but their lineage comes from the Boston School and with the implementation of the Sight-Size method they are quite removed from the teachings of the 19th century. They are not entirely bad, but they are only a small piece of the puzzle of old knowledge.
They are also too few in number compared to the many places that are sprouting each day in the USA. American students are in a better position than Europeans to learn this type of art. They have a larger selection of artists and methods to study than in Europe. The only places worth studying art at in my opinion are America, Russia and China. They are the only ones that have kept the traditions alive.
Then again, if you want to be a 'contemporary' artist Europe is a great place to be.
The prices of the ateliers and top schools in the US are also quite ridiculous. Americans might be used to paying tens of thousands of dollars, taking out loans and going into debt to go to higher education, or maybe even think the atelier tuition is a bargain compared to most colleges, but Europeans are not. The average European might not be poor but is not able to pay such amounts for education. My parents didn't save for me to go to college. They had no need to; school here is relatively inexpensive, but then it turned out I can't study the thing I want over here and have to look elsewhere. I can't afford a 3-4 year program and living costs abroad without financial aid or some other help, which doesn't seem to be an option, so I'm stuck. I can only try my best and teach myself.
Last edited by nickydraws; October 15th, 2012 at 09:46 AM.
I'm 17 and I've applied for Illustration everywhere that offers it in scotland (Vis. Com. elsewhere), it seems to me from talking to others who have done courses in the UK that Illustration will let you pursue your own education in art with the most freedom, as I don't put any stock in the Uni's teaching capacity in the kinds of art or skills that most people here want to obtain.
For a traditional education, I can vouch for LARA (London Atelier of Representative Art); the system of learning and the tutors are excellent (I did a month there in the summer).
If I don't get into Edinburgh or Glasgow I'll probably to LARA for a year before reapplying.
There's also a pretty epic view of London from their roof
I hope you find the right place for you TFSean.
Hey there, sorry to dig up this old issue again but I wanted to ask if anyone has any info about the Slade? other than being much more expensive does it really differ at all from the University of Arts London? I looked into UAL and realized that they have an "art is bullshit and bullshit is art" approach to art education. Is this the same case at the Slade? I can't seem to find any graduates' work online to prove otherwise
Has anyone actually been to Lavendar hill studios or theLondon atelier school that LIE mentioned. They both look preety awesome and I was thinkign about signign upto to either one of them.
I am a student at Lavender Hill, and I can vouch for their techniques and the quality of the tuition. If you search through my posts you will see a detailed description of the course I gave in response to another question.
The only place I, myself would enjoy is Ravenbourne o_o no its not made up and yes its in england xD maybe google it?!
Any updates to this? I stay in Scotland and I've been thinking hard about applying to Watts Atelier in America, the prices are actually really great, though of course living costs would be something you would have to sort out, but it's good that you can choose your own curriculum there. The one in Edinburgh (Academy of Realist Art), near where I stay, looks ok, really expensive though and not very spectacular, has anyone went there and can give an opinion on it? I'd like to hear some thoughts on that. The ones in London like someone mentioned looks as if you'd be paying a hefty fee if you're going to be staying down there.
Hey Suda, I actually did a little bit of time at the ARA in Edinburgh when it was first starting up, dont waste your time with it man haha. Watts looks good but ye living in America not so easy.
I can't tell you where is good but can tell you whats not good and thats pretty much most places in UK, I ended up just studying myself and it went pretty well, motivation and discipline are more important than a school for improving.
Traditional arts education in the UK has almost been non-existent for a generation, here at Lavender Hill Studios we are providing that structured teaching. We donít attempt to create replica students but develop individual approaches using the four steps of proportion, line and volume, chiaroscuro and colour. More information about our approach can be found on our website below, we also have a thread here on conceptart explaining the philosophy and history of the school.
We run various short courses throughout the year during the holidays for people who donít live locally (we are situated near Clapham Junction, London) or who would like an introduction to the school.
Please donít hesitate to ask any questions you have, either here or direct to our email address.
Hey sean I'm still thinking about going to ARA since it's only 20 minutes away from me. What was it that was so bad? I was on their facebook page and it looks ok, nothing spectacular in terms of the studio but what they teach seems on par with what the other schools are teaching which I guess is the important thing. So what put you off?