the faces have a distinct style, but i would really suggest references from the girl on top, and study feet the the girl in front, even if she is hanging it seems as if her legs are broken.
I would also consider post scan? editing. just to give the a cleaner range of value.
I honestly didn't know there was a BDSM tag.
Your figures need a lot of referencing. Not only is one of them in a particularly difficult pose to draw, it looks like the easier pose has you stumped right now.
For starters, the girl "on top" (harhar) has a neck that appears to be closer to one shoulder than the other. The other issues are less obvious or glaring, but you really need to reference everything at this point- lower legs ESPECIALLY. I'm talking about arms, breasts (could be a personal taste thing, I really don't know that much about humongous breasts, actually), legs etc. all look "off" so I'm not going to be particularly specific.
Just my opinion, hope it helps.
Guys, I don't need your ridiculous attacks. I just looking here for the paying customers and all works "on". That my Project was sold for BDSM-art site, and customer happy with my stuff and prices, so better teach "to hold pencil" somebody else, who need it...
Last edited by art1488; March 27th, 2011 at 09:17 PM.
Your greatness aside, you might want to look at the bottom girls feet again.
Before the flame war begins - I'm sure this was moved here from finally finished - so I'm not sure he wants critiques.
However, there is a reason it was moved here and if you're willing to listen then people can and will offer advice and critiques.
If you don't want that then say and we can spend our time on those people that do want it.
Or rather not helpful critiques - there are several things wrong with your image - admittedly 'how to hold a pencil' probably didn't help and put you on the defensive.
People saw the faults and were/are willing to help. However you have to be open to advice...
If it was 'cool' and 'awesome' people would say that.
Since they didn't, well then it's not as good as you think it is.
If you want shallow 'cool and 'awesome' comments I'm going to suggest going to DA - it wont help you become a better artist but I'm sure you'll get your ego stroked by them.
(I don't have a real bug with DA - its just many of the comments are 'cool', 'awesome' etc without helping the artist develop.)
It all depends on what you want.
I think it's the one womans feet that hurt it the most. They seem to go inwards towards the big toe, whereas they should go outwards more. There also appears to be no...I can't remember the bone name, tibia? Well the bone that sticks out on your ankle anyway lol.
Cool and awesome from my customers more than enough for my ego.
But when new guy came on such site like this (where some people looking ways to earn some money) be sure to hear the unfriendly critiques and jokes, and of course, they will find what's "wrong" with your work or as better variant will just ignore... I just know such kind of attitude well - on some sites team provoke or bann new members if they're going to cook their own sushi.
By the way, this site its not such bad like some others.
I don't think any of your first crits were unfriendly - they were simply pointing out what was obviously wrong (or seemed to them)
The basic premise is that you need to understand anatomy (better) before you can really play on the extremes and make it work.
For instance - regardless of the clients wish - the feet don't look like feet enough - there's not enough understanding of the basics to make it work correctly.
There are basic flaws in perspective and lighting all of this will make people comment on your piece - they are trying to help.
If you become defensive, or arrogant, well then things will turn sour reasonably quick.
Just take things with a grain of salt, we're all here to learn and to get better, or thats the idea.
if you feel like youre going to benefit from that attitude on the long run... go for it.
if people wasted more effort on your art, than you appreciate, its their fault. just dont search for praise on a nerdy forum (remember were just geeks caught up in our own cages of rights and wrongs) like that and keep kicking!
erm art1488 i think all of em are trying to help. I'm a new guy too, and I've found hard crits to be worth more than cool or awesome. Anatomy books are what you need right now, and to an earlier comment. I do agree. Andrew Loomis books are the bomb!
Haha I'm gonna go back and study em now.
Ps. If you do improve and listen to these comments and come up with cool work, don't worry. I'll be the first to say its awesome! and of course still suggest stuff if I see anything wrong. I'll let the pros do the real critiques, and you for one should really listen. Most of these guys are no newbies, far from it.
Pss. Thats a long PS but waddaheck
Yes, this was moved from FF, because it isn't very good. However, there's not much point it critiquing it, because the target audience doesn't care.
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"Art is supposed to punch you in the brain, and it's supposed to stay punched."
Sad that the attitude is like that. Yeah your work is gonna get beat up here if it needs it. But it'll shape your future. Guess its up to you.
I want to notice that mostly so-called critique just unfriendly pins and some naive points. A sample situation - a dude who believes that his an expert says his absolutely wrong opinion about my drawing and when I explain why I did it (quick sketch, copy style, cutomers vision or some other reasons) He says "Oh, I see now... It was not 3rd leg..."
I heard such naive and quick comments a lot... (Now less, cause I little tired to lesson them, so I trying to make my drawings very simply and easy to all viewers)
FYI, you do need to practice proper pencil technique, and anatomy as well. Some perspective and solidity to your drawing might help too. But hey, as long as you are so very successful with BDSM art sites, who needs that "improvement" crap, right?
oh oh oh , where do they teach pencil technique? I've had to teach myself, and I taught myself wrong.
sketches (not fully realized works here)
Last edited by Whyatt Thrash; March 29th, 2011 at 06:56 PM.
If the thread was brought here from the FF section, then I can understand why the OP was not open to critiques... because he was originally not asking for them.
Art1488, There are some striking anatomical, composition, and conceptual problems with the piece, but this is a forum for people who are looking to get better.
"Cool" and "Awesome" are what we consider to be bad critiques on here because they don't help the artist learn, so are usually avoided. Please check out this thread to read more about it...
I read the posts you called "ridiculous attacks" and have to say that they are not that harsh or incorrect and didn't come off as attacks. If you are looking to learn why the majority of people are thinking they see problems in your art, you really can't find a better forum... but if you are looking for "awesome"... I agree with Whyatt Thrash that you might find the hollow praise you are looking for at devientart.