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Hey all, sorry for the long absence but I had examination month and as the year is over now, I can dig in drawing for the next 4 months!
Thank you very much for your responses!
@Lintire: Thank you for your encouraging words They mean a lot. Got to check out your sb asap!
@Rhubix: Thank you very much! Yes I see what you mean. When I first read your comment I wasn't sure what you meant, but now that I have read "Perspective for Comicbook Artists" and some of Bammes' "Die Gestalt des Menschen", yes absolutely. I was and still am paying too much attention on copying rather than constructing, which is a habit I find really hard to fight.
I'm splitting my update now because the attachments always appear at the bottom of posts, thus making the text dislocated and irrelevant.
No 1: This is an update of Hogarth Studies I did in April, before the exams. I was trying to get a bit into female anatomy, which is a mystery to me.
EDIT: How could I have forgotten, my absolute failures in trying to portrait myself. Structure, I know you are out there, COME HERE AND SERVE MEEEEEE
Last edited by LordLouis; June 5th, 2011 at 01:03 PM.
No2: Well, I fully admit that up to this point I had denied the neccessity of holding a pencil in some other way than the normal writing position. Upon reading How to hold a pencil I tried out the violin grip, and I hated it! I was far more clumsy with my elbow than with my wrist, and working bent over my low table didn't help that.
I tried Hogarth with the new pencil "stance", and first it looked really scribbly and terrible. But after a while I eventually became more accustomed to the new grip, and all of the sudden, sketching was actually fun O.O you know, a lot more free, and swing-y and just more of a hobby than torture. I normally hate it, because I am scared of mistakes (which I make anyway) and get really really cramped over the paper. But this changed it :p
Furthermore some lifedrawings of my bf doing workout and watching TV.
And finally No.3:
I had one of my "right, some Loomis, some Hogarth- now I can get into professional illustration!"-phases again and decided to test my memory on anatomy, and drew a character from "Anatomy for Fantasy Artists", which is some form of Angel-Harpy hybrid.
Eventually I ended up guessing half of the figure ESPECIALLY around the breasts and the entire womb-region, which to be frank, pissed me off. I used some Hogarth as a reference to help, but in the end I decided that while I have memorised some muscles and some form of approach, it's now where near where I want to see me. So, I did one page of straight lines and ellipses with locked wrist, out of the elbow, to practice a new muscle memory for drawing. I erased the entire page a couple of times, until I left it with some human forms out of ellipses.
Finally I got back to studies, and I decided to use Brammes' "Die Gestalt des Menschen", because it is, well, just badass- Hogarth is very good for muscles and distortions thereof, but I need to learn to construct, so back I am, at studying. Sigh, sigh.
(The big hand on the last sheet is my own, trying to construct it from life, but out of boxes. Didn't go as well as wanted, but better than expected.)
Wow! You are improving really fast. It is encouraging to see your study working for you.
My two cents - Are you doing any figure drawing? I mean with an actual model not a photograph. I can't stress enough how much figure drawing has helped me personally.
I'd like to see you push you values more. Make your shadows darker and use less midtone. You're shading is very grey right now. More contrast would make it pop.
Most importantly keep doing what you are doing. It is clearly working for you. I hope my opinions are of some help.
Hello there! I've seen you about on the critique section a lot and I have to admit I've learnt a fair bit reading other people's constructive critisisms. Yours included. xD
But anyway, Loving the studies so far, particularly those last hand ones. It looks like your understanding for what you're drawing is getting better all the time, which is fantastic. All I can say is DO MORE, but then again that's my answer to anything.
Some real good work so far so just keep up the good work.
@Looney: Wow thank you so so much!! Well my uni study is History & International Relations (BA Hons) so unfortunatly not art related My art study on the other hand, meh. No I have not done any figure drawing. I mean I have done sketches from life (like my boyfriend), but no model as such. I hear that it is so good quite a lot, but I am absolutely lost in how to get life drawing classes? I mean there are complete classes on life drawing, but no such thing as model-drawing evenings. Also, I am simply unsure about how to approach it. I could surely ask my bf, who has experience in posing, but ultimately what to do? Construct like I tried with my hand? Thank you very much for your opinion, it is very helpful. I can't quite see the progress you do, so that helps! As for my shading, yep, spot on.
@Naidy: Hey one of those silent CC forum readers Thank you, yes I am actually amazed how much I can learn from critiquing, spotting mistakes and listening to the pro's. There is always that little awkwardness of being the amateur and then using the whip. Trying to keep a low profile more recently. Thank you for your encouraging words, and yeah, the "do more" comment is unfortunately always recommended I mean after all that's what we are herefore, isn't it! Cheers!
Okay update for today.
Some more hands, then heads (with some pirate robot, no idea)
then some Garyados skizzes I made for the CC forum, yet to post.
And finally, the 100% foolproof method of pissing myself off: self-portrait. Ridiculous attempt to smudge some likeliness that my linework didn't do.
Wtf. The more structure I try to learn, the worse my selfportraits get!
Seriously, in terms of likeliness, the very first was by far the best.
Good posts, there seems to be a gap somewhere in between, like a few years, right?
Anyway, I wanted to inquire as to what pencils do you use, some of it looks like rather hard pencils but I can't tell very well actually. Could be the scanner, or maybe it's just me!
I live in Philadelphia. Here there are plenty of figure drawing evenings. I am not sure about where you are, but they do exist. To find the ones I go to, I just typed 'figure drawing Philadelphia' into google.
If you're boyfriend has experience posing and is willing to do that for you, I don't see why you wouldn't at least try it and see how it works out.
Drawing your hands and drawing people from life are both great ideas. I do both regularly, but there is no substitute for figure drawing.
@Kerah: Hey thanks! uhm? Well my first (opening) post is from december last year, in which I posted work from June -> December 2010. From then on, I regulary updated. So basically all my work is one year old up until one day old. Well I use what was lying around here, sometimes HB (which I find too hard), then B, and now I use 2B to push my values a bit.
@looney: I don't live in the states, but in Britain. Upon googling "Figure drawing" in my area I keep getting referred to http://figuredrawing.meetup.com/cities/gb/ Do you use this site at all? Looks wonky to me.
I talked to my bf yesterday, and will try tonight when he comes back from work. Thank you very much for your help!
Okay, today's update.
1: I couldn't live with the portrait from yesterday. I got so fed up thinking abou it, that I had to do a new one. This time I shifted the mirror, which helped me greatly with some forms (nose, head form) but I didn't quite get the mouth in perspective. Doesn't look like me, but at least more than the last one.. shrudder.
2: My daily sketch-erase-sketch-erase-sketch page, getting more used to wrist lock and drawing with the elbow. I used Loomis' Fun with Pencil books for the shapes, and was finding myself incapable of drawing a god-damn triangle. But I need to get these forms in my head, I really need to hammer them in, so I just started experimenting on the last sheet with things around me (and from my head, such as lamp, coffe mug) amazed at how the forms help defining them so much.
3: Loomis. Now that I opened his book again, I actually understand what he meant with understanding "form". When it was first suggested to me to use Loomis, and I saw those comic heads, I just thought "wtf I want to draw realistic stuff!", and yeah well, a year later, I get it. Didn't do as much as I wanted, but will continue tomorrow.
4&5: My first figure drawing ever. I didn't really now what to do, so I did the first three 5-10mins each, and I always, always get the head wrong. The last page is 2-minute-drawings, I think they work better for me in terms of loosening up. Will do more in the future. Finding figure classes would of course help~
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Update for today.
1: My daily warmup and wrist lock exercise & learning froms. The reason for posting those seemingly pointless sheets is that in case you notice anything, you can mention it!
Rest: Instead of working on Loomis I started the Spartan Camp challenge for this week, the first time I am taking part and I regard it as quite a challenge. I took 40 photos of myself and started. I quickly came to realize what the problem is with photography especially from this close to the camera. It just distorts the angle so much that in pencil version it doesn't look believable. And of course, my inability to cobstruct a head properly yet, but I think I am making some small steps here. The figures are from fineart.sk models, especially the obese woman was fun to draw because of the interesting lighting effects that the massive amount of fat and skin add to it.
Update for today.
Was very unproductive, real-life issues and stuff waiting to be solved. Hopefully better tomorrow.
1. Finished sheet of loomis (see above)
2+3. 1/2minutes figure drawings from http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php again took me some time to switch from frame to form, and I completely erased my first 3 attempts and drew them again.
4. more Loomis, not a full sheet yet, more to come. god this is hard!
Thank you for the comment in my sketchbook. I thought that I would reply to you here because it seemed to like it would be more useful. You have made good progress with your work. I wish that I could offer some amazing advice, but unfortunately the only way I know is hard work. The only thing that I can say is that when studying someone like Loomis, don't try to copy WHAT he is drawing, but rather try to emulate the WAY he is drawing it. Drawing often is very good, but you must remain focused to improve quickly. With focus you might learn as much from one drawing as from 100 doodles made without thought. I would recommend the book 'Drawn to Life' by Walt Stanchfield. There are two volumes, but I suggest reading the first one to start. He is a very eloquent writer and addresses many of the problems associated with drawing in general. The book is more geared towards animators, but most of the principles are universal. It is not a reference book that will teach you how to draw, but it might show you new ways to THINK about drawing. It is also very inspiring to read. I hope this helps and good luck.
BTW - I would stay away form Hogarth as a reference for anatomy. His work is very stylized and difficult to follow if you are just beginning. Instead I would recommend David K. Rubins' book 'The Human Figure: An Anatomy for Artists'. You can find used copies for as little as $4. It is very comprehensive and helps to build a solid foundation in realistic human anatomy.
Dear JavierP, thank you so so so much for your great advice. I read it multiple times to try to understand you, as I know I am talking to the pro here and shouldn't be ignorant on the knowledge offered. I have decided not to take a summer job this year, which is a bit of a monetary gamble, and I want to seriously improve in the next 3, 4 months. I mean seriously. Not just a couple of feet and hands more, I really want to get to the stage at which I can draw with as much certainty as possible for this short period of time. I don't want to go into freelance art or anything, but I want to incorporate my art into my future jobs. It is really important for me and I want to work 5-6 hours a day on this. I am currently at 4 hours, and it is a great disciplinary challenge especially because of domestic work and a dissertation I need to write.
I see what you mean. I have actually copied the entire Bridgman book on heads, and I learned NULL. I don't remember a single line- just copied. It is very annoying for me having realized that I spent the last 5 month copying anatomy. On that note, are you under the impression that I still copy? I thought that with Loomis, I am taking a step away from it and towards constructing. For example I don't look at the screen (the pdf) while drawing, in order to think about where the forms go. If you are under the impression that I copy, I must clearly have been misguided by my own impression.
Does that refer to the "thinking instead of copying"? Because other than that, I am afraid I am not sure what you mean.
I have already put him away for now, I can assure you. Yes it has been very difficult for me and I tried to copy instead of understand. There are nonetheless things that helped me with my understanding of anatomy. The exaggerations have helped me memorize the muscles. I currently work with Bramme's "Die Gestalt des Menschen" which I have heard of being one of the best on anatomy. Do you think it is a good substitute?
And thank you VERY much for your tip on Walt Stanchfield! Even the amazon-flick-through was amazing. It is ordered and will hopefully arrive next week. As I am more or less "studying" drawing now, I started looking out for books to read. So far I have acquired and read Perspective for Comicbook Artists, and James Gurney's Imaginative realism. I would like to read more, but self-taught and short on money that I am, I fully rely on this forum in terms of recommendations.
@Carlos-Will: Oh my a subscription!! I am honored I should subcribe more really, I keep losing track of where I commented and which sb's I enjoyed. Yeah I know about my lack of digital^^ I am really intimidated now that I know how little I know, and I fear of attempting own creations. This is a bad turn and I have to change that. I just am so empty suddenly, no ideas- all that crosses my mind is "once I can draw like X, I can draw Y!". Will keep an eye on your sb, I might just make a mental competition out of it just to keep me going, haha!
And now, Update for today.
First of all, my warm-up. I tried to push it this time, drawing a bit of still-life while focussing on cylinder forms, and I also did as much as I remembered from Loomis’ heads. If you are a real kawaiiii, you will probably notice Pusheen from everydaycute.com on the bottom left.
2+3: Loomis! It looks like 20 minutes doodling, but I actually spent 2 hours on these pages. Sometimes a head cost me 10 minutes.
4: More gestures for the Spartan Camp. Sometimes I just completely lose it and get it wrong on all ends, I have no idea why. I just need practice, and become quicker.
5: Ah yes and some quick sketch of interior. Didn't go well, but that was because I was too lazy to measure the door height, got it wrong, and thus squished the room slightly. I need to do more environment from life. Of all the things I study, I find myself weakest on this area.
I did not mean to undermine your progress with my comments. I am not under the impression that you are copying. I merely mentioned those points as things to keep in mind. Actually I find it helpful to repeat things like 'good lines', 'good forms', 'good values' etc. to myself as I draw, as a sort of mantra. It may sound like a crazy idea, but it helps me to keep the basics at the forefront as I concentrate while drawing. That is what I mean when I say 'focused drawing'. When I draw, I am trying to make the best image possible, whether it is a 30 second life drawing or a 50 hour still life.
I know that drawing is a process that is unique to everyone, so what 'works' for me may very well not work for you. So continue to draw often because that is how you will develop your own artistic intuition.
Anyway, enough rambling. Your studies look good. I would suggest you try drawing with a pen, or a dark pencil that is not easily erased, like Prismacolor black 935. This helps with confidence in your lines and forces you to make more judicious marks. I hope this helps and good luck with your drawing endeavors.
Good work so far! I really like the figure drawings.But you should also do some more focus on light and shadow, not just line and form. Keep up the good work!
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@JavierP: Oh I didn't feel undermined or anything, I just wanted to double-check whether you think I am copying, because I find it hard to judge my own progress. I love that mantra of yours! As long as you don't do it in public, it'll probably just fine :p I went on trying with pens today. Thank you for your response, thank you very much.
@NiaLain: Thank you for the encouragment! Yeah I see what you mean, I wasn't sure about the entire life drawing thing and just set it on 1/2 minutes. Did 10minutes today.
@Cannibalcarnivale: Thank you very much! I understand I am avoiding the light and shadow subject, for the simple reason that I don't quite know how to tackle it. Any book suggestions? I suppose still life with strong light would make a good start. Thank you!
And now, update for the first 4 hours of drawing today. I need a break, otherwise I will eat lead or bite my desk.
1: Warm up. Combined it with more stillife sketching from the desk.
2: Figure studies, 10 mins.
3+4: Wohey! Figure studies with pen. My god that was intimidating. Bad, bad memories of bad bad drawing. Also, I seem to fall in some sort of comic-face-style everytime I use a pen. How I hate it!
5: I drew some of my family members in Loomis style, checking how much I remember. Pretty solid memory on the circles so far, I will try to advance to page 31, which covers the comic head -> real head transition.
Last update for today.
I thought I'd do something which is not a study, and thought I could build on the goblins I had posted (page 1). I spent forever on this. It's not a composition, it just happens to be two Gobbos, one male one female. I spent twice as much on the female, because I found it so hard to apply a female curved body on skinny muscular goblins.
I don't like it, but that's what I have to offer so far regarding my skills.
I think her stance could be improved, and her legs certainly (skinnier). Also, I don't like their dead eyes and lack of facial expression. I erased a hundred times, but I just don't have what it takes yet. I will probably take this to the CC forum, and photoshop it further.
Wow, so many sketches around here! That's impressing. And I really like the drawings you made with the pen. Some of them show real confident lines. That's what you need for your pencil drawings too.
Try to draw some more quick lines for your contours. They tend to be a bit messy right now.
And just one tip about CA: you can insert your attachment into your posts (in the space, that you're using to write). That makes it easier to add descriptions. Just look at the paper-clip symbol in the toolbar if you are posting. All attachments will be there and you just need to click on them to insert them where you want =)
At last, I need to admit that I like the hand studies in post #33 very much! Good work on them!
@Ramalooke: Hey there, thank you very much for your kind words! Sadly, I always need to know what to do in order to improve, and I find it not easy to fing out [without a school/teacher].
@Valyavande: Thank you very much! I see what you mean with the pencil, yep I keep it messy in order to cover up when I get lines wrong- which is why I am going to stick to some more pen drawings. Oh my, I am member here for so long and I didn't know that! (And I haven't seen people do it either)- thank you very much for the tip, that will spare me some time haha!
@Loathsome: Thank you! I just hope I find a way to combine studies and some more imaginative stuff soon.
Update: Well it's weekend and I am ill anyway, so taking an art break. It's going to be a hard week from tomorrow on, so need my brainz in place. However I tried to "paint" my female gobbo in PS, as I didn't like her legs and all, but I just ended up not knowing what to do, and I am completely stuck in terms of how to learn light and value- I just can't think of any book or tutorial that would give me tips on that. Oblivious!
I know what you mean about pieces to shade and apply lighting from imagination, you just need to keep studying existing photographs and be very observational around your surroundings, I'm trying to do that a lot myself. But all things aside I think you've done a good job, have you used reference?
I don't know if you've come across this free little tutorial, its pretty good!
Ok here goes for my first proper crit for someone's work haha. I hope these makes sense, but obviously because I'm not a pro, don't expect these to be fully right, its just my opinion.
Because the light source is coming from above top left and is quite strong looking with your highlights, I'd remove some lighting above the breast, at the moment they're too rounded starting from the top too early. The shadow beneath the left arm is slightly too dark and there would be a slight reflection coming off the body. There would be more shadow casted on the right sides of the legs.
At the moment the highlighting is too bloated, try and reduce the size and intensity of the highlight areas and pick off small areas which are most rounded or most specular to light, e.g that nose would have a little strong highlight, the rest would be a light tone along with mid tones, but not highlighted.
The belly would protrude a bit more, and there would be a dip after the ribs, more shadow should be seen on the right side of the body, including the breast.
Lord Louis - Thanks for visiting my sketchbook and leaving such positive comments, I found it very encouraging
I like where your sketchbook is going - you clearly work hard and tackle difficult subjects, I can see improvement throughout your drawings. If you keep up this effort I guarantee you're gonna be great I like the anatomy work you're doing, and also the head rotations, those are definitely not easy. With the heads and stuff I'd say just try to be accurate and get the perspective down, don't get too concerned with shading. I think your 35min sketch from 6/6/11 is great, probably my favorite - do more!! :nice sketchbook, keep goin dude
Sooooo. Sorry for the lack of updates this week, I have been very busy with all the stuff I managed to procastinate last week.. design work, dissertation, job interviews, etc etc. So I just though I upload it in one bunch.
The goblin-attempt got me so disheartened that it took me some time to pick up the pencil again ._.
@ Carlos-Will: Hey Carlos, Thank you so much for your reply and the tips. I know this tutorial, I think I have read it 4 time sby now, and I still fin dit incredibly useless for me simply because I cannot really relate to working digitally, with colours or with values- which isn't necessarily a good thing.. I have saved your comments in a text layer in my PS file because I will come back to it. I just don't feel that guessing around with paint is going to help me at this stage. I haven't dug anatomy in its basics yet, and that is my first objective.
@ Wholeweat Keyboard: Quite interesting user name Thank you so much! I am so happy you like my selfportrait, I also thought it turned out quite good! Thanks!
Ok, now on to the stuff I did this week. Half of it I have done just today in order to meet the Spartan Camp's weekly challenge :p
Okay first batch. I read 300 pages of G. Bammes "Die Gestalt des Menschen" and learned quite some interesting things. I was struck by the idea of modeling in 3d first in order to get a 3d feeling for 2d drawings, so I went out and got myself some re-usable modelling paste, and started learning the knee.
The model: took me 2 hours to finish, based on photos from Bammes.
I asked my boyfriend to offer his knee so I could feel where the different objects lie that I was drawing.
Batch two: Figure drawing. Through the spartan camp I was inspired to do some animal figure as well, and I found them a lot easier and helpful because I don't know about animal anatomy, thus I had to concentrate on what I saw, not what I thought should be there.
I also experimented with different mediums. 2B and 6B pencil, Faber Castell pen size F and size B, as well as Conte (which I find very hard to use).
3rd one: Portrait studies, from personal photos.
Last but not least, some more failed attempts at scenery drawing. Note: The last picture: it is stairs, not a bridge. And I don't know how to draw plants xD
Very interesting skeletal studies!
Everything is better with dinosaurs.