Hi Justyna, nice to see somebody from Poland here, i don't know many people except IceCold . How long do you draw ? cause it looks better than mine but I draw since dec 09 ;P And you are getting pretty much better and better , I hope you don't copy sketches from loomis and other books cause it doesn't really help to learn anything, maybe line and nothing more
If you are interested in anatomy You should get some Vilppu and Riven Phoenix videos, they really help with understand structure of human body
Hey hoo, check out my crappy sketchbook
Jephyr X - thanks for stopping by once more, I appreciate kind words
andres333 - Actually I tried to avoid gesture drawings because lines are messy then and I wanted to learn drawing with single neat lines. I guess I got it wrong, I checked your SB and it seems gesture drawing really helps so I will follow your advice and tomorrow I will focus on gesture. Thank you
samborek - Hi there, my brother is from Poland two . You can check his SB if you want: Link , he's really good.
I plan on checking your SB in a minute and I seriously doubt that I draw better As to Loomis - yes, I copy a lot from him, actually I don't know if I should rather draw from imagination or from photos/sketches. Anyway thanks for stopping by
All from terragalleria:
heya I think I'm gonna follow your thread regularly I can see that your have a strong desire of learning, I just read the posts between you and your brother (sorry I know it wasn't my business), and they made me wish that I had someone like that too. You're lucky know it.
Ohh great to see some loomis studies (got to study this book myself) Thnx for an inspiration and keep on drawing-have fun!
andres333 - Thanks Yeah, I know I am lucky, he motivates me and helps a lot
CUKIERass - Loomis books are great, I really recommend them thanks for stopping by
So, I know I should do more drawing, less painting, but when I saw those great photos on terragalleria I just couldn't help it. But I plan on drawing more since today
Also, can someone tell me if it's correct that when I use a photo as a reference and want to upload my painting I choose Category: Sketchbooks, Sub Categories: From Observation, Genre: Fine Art/Personal?
So, these are all from reference (photos from terragalleria):
You are the same as me(that was my first thought), but now I think your paintings are already better then my artworks
Hey, sis. Drawing faces will help. That is of course if you think while doing that and not just thoughtlessly () copy from a book. I noticed You still tend to draw too small mouths, just like you always did . Observe when drawing, don't just draw what you think whatever you're drawing should look like. And think about the form of it, not just the flat 2d shape on paper.
Don't get discouraged though. You've improved since the start, and you're still getting better, even though you probably don't see it yourself. You're doing a lot (and I mean A LOT) of studies, and it's always a good way to go. Just remember: quality over quantity (and by quality I don't mean you have to render every tiny detail, no - by quality I mean paying attention to the stuff you're learning while doing a study, be it perspective, color theory, proportions, anatomy or whatever).
Edit: I just noticed you're also better with colors. That's good. Keep working.
(Haha;D I wish I was doing half of the stuff I'm talking about ;D)
Last edited by Rafal Dorsz; April 1st, 2010 at 09:35 PM.
JiR - thanks I think that your photo studies are better though
Gildorek - big thanks for all your suggestions I tried to pay more attention to lips, I can see now that I tend to draw them too small, just as feet. I totally agree with "quality over quantity" rule, it's just that often I am fed up with one drawing so I leave it and move to another.
Oh, and I am absolutely not getting discouraged, all criticism always appreciated. I am really thankful for the comments from all you guys, it's sooooo motivating to see the response
It was a good day today, I feel like I enjoy drawing even more than I did before. I don't know what I would do without drawing
Hands from Loomis:
Women from photos (kindgirls.com):
I so don't want to go to sleep, I need to draw more.
Your art is doing great Justyna. but wait a minute I use references too. I ain't that good to stop using them hehe. Sorry if now i look like a fraud
I love work with expressive movement in the face and/or with the body. I think you have a feel or empathy that bleeds out from canvas.
I would take the suggestions about learning anatomy...but in general. Just about everything I have read states getting the gesture is where one needs to concentrate. However...knowing form, shapes, understanding that not only the lights have shapes...but the dark areas. Squinting your eyes really does work to see values better.
I know sketching works because I have clearly progressed from my first paintings. I started out just painting. It was not until recently that I really started using pencils...about two years ago I think. I mean I used them but rarely at first. I have seen huge growth with my paintings since I started to sketch and plan...and work out values.
By the way...you really have pushed your values. I have trouble in this area.
Aside from art...most of my friends are computer geekzoids...I actually am married to one. He does great ink work.
I think if you make more studies from nature like still life or drawing some of your friends your drawing skill go higher and higher
Last edited by kojot; April 17th, 2010 at 06:02 PM.
Kojot gadzino, jak mogles wbic sie tu przedemna! argh ;>
Napisze to po angielsku, zeby jakies inne zblakane dusze skorzystaly.
Here we go!
I've looked all over your sketchbook.
I have a very strong feeling that those 1st page paintings were done with the use of direct color picking from photos, it is CRITICAL to not to do so, never ever. The only true and valuable way to learn on color is to paint from life, as most of the photos over the internet are highly modified, plus the camrea itself will never see as your eyes does.
That's why it is so important to paint and practice on those boring still lifes
Now i see that you've started to those studies recently and it's definitely the right aproach. The next step would be to set up a more complex composition, and try to capture it as accurately as it's possible for you yet mainaining the overall painterly feel to the piece. If you're not aming for hyper realism there's absolutely no reason of trying to paint a photo.
Many, many beginners including myself tried to go for this photo real look which is not really what art's all about it's about interpreting the reality to fit your own taste and emotions.
Now regarding anatomy, Loomis truly was a great artist, however I ( and possibly hundreds of thousand other people ) find his teaching not the best for beginners. He uses quite difficult schemes which many people might find difficult to learn. I highly recommend sticking with:
George Bridgman ( get all of his books he was a true master)
Gotfried Bammes ( They are mostly in german but some of the books got transalted, also one of the best books to grab)
Glenn Vilppu as someone already mentioned, he does awesome gesture drawings. He did record some videotutorials, get them too.
Now i'd avoid Burne Hogarth's books, as he is rather designing his own anatomy instead of going for the true one.
The last, but not least go crazy with the charcoal! This is possibly one of the best medium on the planet and it comes in many forms.
Vine charcoal- natural, soft, sticks easily to the paper as to everything else, however it also gets off with same ease. Use it mostly for underdrawing and first tonal block in.
Compressed charcoal, harder grips to the paper, more solid. Can get waaay darker than vine charcoal.
Charcoal pencils, they also come in a variety i recommend getting 2B, B, HB
They are great for details and they won't dirty your hands so much.
I've no idea which town/city you're from, but if you have the possibility sign up for lifedrawing sessions. Unfortunately there's none where i live so i'm condemned for photos and mirror, atleast for now.
Well i guess that's pretty much it. Things will get complicated and frustrating, but it's the nature of this thing. It takes years of struglle, but eventually you'll start to get alot of fun out of it.
The last thing i'll say will be someone elses words of wisdom:
" The only difference between a beginner artist and a succesfull artist is that he did way more bad drawings and paintings than the beginner"
EDIT: Zapraszam takze na max3d.pl do dzialu 2d, chlopaki i dziewczyny daja niezly wycisk, ale tylko tak mozna sie naprawde rozwinac, puste komplementy to doslownie slowa rzucane na wiatr.
Last edited by Icecold; April 14th, 2010 at 11:02 AM.
Thanks guys for the response It's great to see some comments, it's sooo motivating. I will visit your sketchbooks as soon as I finish this post.
sombertwin - thanks for comment but actually I am not sure about this empathy and feel that you see in my work - majority of my work are photo studies or still lifes so I think it's too early to tell that.
kojot - thanks I plan on painting more still lifes from now on.
Icecold - gee, really thanks for such a huge post, especially so useful
As to color picking - when I started painting using tablet I actually had to do it a few times because my paintings had flat values, and only after I picked some colors from dark sides and from light ones of photos I actually saw the difference, so I think it's useful at the early beginning but now I think it's cheating
I will definitely do more sill lifes now, as you and kojot both suggested that to me
As to books:
I don't like Bridgmans particulary, I've checked his "Complete Guide to Drawing from Life" and I found his drawings too exaggerated, cartoon-like with those too broad shoulders, bulging forehead, tiny lips in women etc. As to anatomy, it was similar to Loomis (well, there's not much for imagination in drawing the structure of bones and muscles in neck ) but the lines were more messy so I stuck with Loomis.
Vilppu however is great and I plan on doing some studies from his books. I haven't used Bammes books but I will check them, thanks
Charcoal pencils sound interesting, I will maybe try them
I live in Poznań and I don't know about any lifedrawing sessions but I think it's a bit too early, I wouldn't feel comfortable drawing with other people around.
Some days are frustrating, true, but I already get loads of fun from it
Oh, and I will for sure visit max3d.pl
Today only more photo studies, but tomorrow there will be some still lifes
Still life is really difficult and so time consuming. I started it on Sunday and just finished. I am of course not satisfied with the result but figured I won't do any better this time. I will start next still life tomorrow, hope it will be better.
I must admit that it was kind of fun though
Icebold - dzięki mam nadzieję, że tak będzie
I didn't finish this still life and I am sure I won't, I just can't paint what I want, I keep erasing and painting the same and it just doesn't work, so I am going to leave it and start a new one.
There's really no point in showing it here but I will, just to keep track of my progress (or rather lack of it):
Noooo nareszcie "Ok, enough with the females, time to draw some males", myślałam, że się nie doczekam
vatteh - Thanks
madzialenka021 - wiedziałam, że się ucieszysz
So my brother visited and we did some photo studies. It was amazing to watch him draw and I learned a lot, e.g.: I use too small brushes to paint the body, I should simplify the painting more, I should start with the contour or guide lines, I should usually have a not white background color, I should also probably change my standard brush. I also learned to paint lightnings and icicles using filters
You can check his SB here: link.
Nice still lifes, sis.
How about you show us some anatomy studies now? Your girls from photos suffer mostly from your guesswork, I think. You don't know what you're painting, so you're guessing, and it shows. So, how about you take an anatomy book, or a loomis or whatever, and copy some of that?