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So how does he do this? There's a video of him doing his pen work here http://www.optimumwound.com/lee-berm...il-and-ink.htm and at the end of the video you can see him begin to do his shading with a marker. I'm assuming it's a prismacolor type marker. When I try to do this in painter x using the felt markers it comes out to splotchy. Meaning, the areas where the marker went over the area it had already touched becomes incredibly dark. Does anyone know how Bermejo gets this effect? Should I turn down the buildup on my felt pens?
I'd love some feedback. Also, i'd love to know what you guys think of Bermejo; the guy's great!
Markers, indian ink watered down or gray dye/liquid watercolors. If you want to mimic the look digitally use either Painter 11 new realistic markers or Photoshop, you want to build up and you need proper transparency control for that.
what about in painter x? i've been using the felt markers and dropped the opacity down to about 40%. I get a nice smoothness but the tones are more like grainy black and the more you lay down, the more solid the black comes in, almost like working with black charcoal.
also, sorry but what's transparency control?
If you want a marker-effect, the best way to do that is to use, you know, markers.
It's basically just working light to dark, building up the tones. Markers require a fair bit of confidence to avoid that splotchy look.
Check this thread about Painter's issue with 'opacity':
You could also use other software, in this clip the artist uses SAI, you could at the end load some textures, overlay them and you would get quite convincing results.
I know in Manga studio, you can have this effect. I usually use that for inking then port over to Painter for coloring.
here's some other stuff of lee's. earlier work, so it may be easier to figure out.
magnatude, you got any pictures?
also, the marker's on painter 11 don't seem to do the trick, it looks better using the felt pen with a 50% opacity in painter x.
i gotta get this, i'm obsessed!
Hi Mike, Manga studio creates a printable gray-scale. Unfortunately a screenshot wouldnt work due to the translation from a 600dpi print to a Jpeg/gif or video, you simply would see a approximated dithering effect.
My suggestion is try a demo from smith Micro's website.
The Inking pens are nice, the pencils will create this gray effect, the markers are set at being a constant (no variation during the stroke), the pencils give variation and multiply with overlap (adjust the brush size larger, like a marker)
The thing is, MS creates gray that is printable, which is important to comic book styled drawing/inking which is meant to be printed on paper.
However if you are creating art for just web, you might want to adjust a painter marker setting (I only use Painter 4 Expressions, so my knowledge with the over versions is limited. You will get a better idea, hands-on, with the MS demo, to see if this is the effect you want.
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Right on Noah - if the look you want is markers - and the artist whose techniques you want to learn uses markers, ink wash, whatever - use markers, ink wash, whatever. Also, since you were asking...I checked out the link with the video. I think he composes scenes well and gets a nice sense of detail, but there is no sense of light in his work - it tends to be that "chaotic" mixed lighting that I see a lot. And I was surprised how the perspective was off on the Hellblazer cover. Other than that I do think his work is pretty dynamic. Just my two cents...
His whole technique is right there in the video. And in the interview he
says he uses ink wash for values, not markers. Looks like he's using some sort
of ink-brush pen at the end there (not a marker) -perhaps something like this.
So, it seems his workflow goes: pencil sketch underlay -> line art with pen ->
knock in blacks with a marker -> work in values with ink wash.
And if you are trying to emulate this technique, bear in mind that he says he
saves a lot of time by doing extensive prelim work before the final.
Good luck and have fun
yup, it is ink wash... haha i had been doing all kinds of stuff to emulate that style.
i've been working with the water colors and liquids inks in painter x but can't seem to get it right. any suggestions as to which tools to use?