LOL, that was more like line quality. Because of the re-statements etc., I use dark thick bold lines to heavily go over it and in the end, a couple of the fingers (usually the thumb or the pinkie finger) looks dark.Second, there's no hierarchy of shadow. You shade one point very hard, like the thumb/palm, or one finger tip, while the rest of the hand is blank.
Ha ha, maybe I exaggerated too much! I don't really render or shade most of the hands, but I do emphasize on line quality.Your hand's covered by the same skin, and mostly the same color, so try to make the shading more even. Unless you're right in front of a lamp, there's not going to be so much contrast.
Say, if the pinkie finger is far away, or if the middle finger is going away from me, I make them lighter. If the thumb is pressed onto other fingers, or if the fingers are coming towards me, I totally bold out the lines.
I guess I gotta make it milder.
Do you use photoshop or something to darken your drawings? god your suck so much lol Not really, love your stuff there like 1000% better then mine for some reason my still lifes look weird it seem compared to everyone elses. how come you don't do many anatomy drawings and studies? I havn't seen many or any. anyways keep it up lol, I say that too much... either way the buildings looked really awesome just like almost everything on here.
do you want to know which part of your SB does pay attention?
Simply, everything because there is ssooooooo much work to regard and to rate...it is a paradise.
I have seen that you like to draw hands. Do you draw them by heart or did you use a book or your own hands? Hands are really hard to draw like almost every part of human's body. Where did you get this time to draw all this picture?
I am really fascinated, I mean if you are posting a new contribution then everyone could take hours of regarding you site.
I hope you understand everything of that what I said. I ask this because of my english which is little good as anyone else's here.
Honestly, I think you are at a point where you should really start looking at the shading you do.
You tend to do it really fast and scribbly. Part of art is patience, which I know you DO have yet the shading you do is so fast, you can tell it wasn't maybe your top prioirty?
I'd love to see you put some extended time in to a drawing and do the shading!
It seems that your pencil drawings are greenish....lol....do you use a green-colored pencil? It's like emerald-colored.
Have you started reading some of the recommended books here? It's best to get art instruction (from books or better, people), then draw, instead of just drawing without knowing what path to take or where you went wrong. There are 2 good books I would recommend: Keys to Drawing and Drawing Essentials.for some reason my still lifes look weird it seem compared to everyone elses.
Nah, I intend to put off anatomy until the distant future. It's more important to be able to draw the 4 geometric shapes (cube, cylinder, sphere and cone) from any perspective, any angle, because with that, you can draw anything from imagination. IMO, anatomy is just to make your figures look realistic. No anatomy in the world will help if you ain't able to draw a figure in the first place.how come you don't do many anatomy drawings and studies? I havn't seen many or any. anyways keep it up lol
I would say to forget anatomy first, and learn the fundamentals of art (accuracy, perspective, proportions etc.), then go from there.
The experts here can give you better advice than me, but that's just my 2 cents.
By posting everything here including the bad ones, there's more for folks to comment and criticize, which will hasten learning.
Nah, I draw my left-hand as a warm up. Nowadays, I only draw 1 or 2 hands before starting my drawing session. Hands are hard to draw, and I don't even dare to think about drawing it from imagination. I'll leave that to the future.I have seen that you like to draw hands. Do you draw them by heart or did you use a book or your own hands? Hands are really hard to draw like almost every part of human's body. Where did you get this time to draw all this picture?
As to where I get the time, I devote 1.5 - 2 hours from Mon - Fri nights drawing. On Sat and Sun, it's 6 - 8 hours each. If I could quit my job, I would gladly spend 15 hours / 7 days a week drawing.
I hope I struck big fortune one day so that I can quit my job.
Nah, my shading is more like mapping (indicating where the darks are, and not so much about making it look good). I promise I'll learn and focus on shading after I'm done with reading the Perspective Drawing Handbook and Drawing Essentials, and after I've gotten comfortable with the construction method of drawing things from any angle, any view.You tend to do it really fast and scribbly. Part of art is patience, which I know you DO have yet the shading you do is so fast, you can tell it wasn't maybe your top prioirty?
That'll be before I reach 30 years old, hopefully!I'd love to see you put some extended time in to a drawing and do the shading!
Dam your a hard worker Xeon.
Seeing improvment throughout keep at it.
I would stress what other people have said and give some strict construciton exercises ago. Do what you are doing now like the hand drawings but using only spheres, cylanders, cubes etc. Dont even bother refining them into proper drawings. Draw through and make sure proportion and orientation looks right.
Above is advice from someone who cant draw so dont take it as gospel
It is folks like these that inspires me, and all of us, I hope!
I'll try this week! I've been starting with some construction doodles, but not real sketches yet. Breaking still life into the 4 shapes is still ok, but breaking the fingers into cylinders and showing the right size of the ellipse at the top is near-impossible, but I'll try.I would stress what other people have said and give some strict construciton exercises ago. Do what you are doing now like the hand drawings but using only spheres, cylanders, cubes etc. Dont even bother refining them into proper drawings. Draw through and make sure proportion and orientation looks right.
U should start an SB here. I checked your website but it was down, though.Above is advice from someone who cant draw so dont take it as gospel
I've updated various sections of my blog to complement the Chinese New Year:
1) Banner has been updated and now looks cooler
2) New pages added on the right, such as "Art books", "Useful links" and "Inspirational / badass quotes" (also featuring Baron Impossible's badass quote).
Anyway, at ConceptArt.org, Armando told me there's no need to find new subjects to draw, because I haven't truly Drawn the ones I already have. Meaning, subject isn't that important, but accuracy of the drawing is. You can be drawing ten different subjects everyday but if all of them are in-accurate, what's the point? I'm gonna emphasize more on accuracy now.
Comparing my latest drawings below to those that are done 7 months ago, there are improvements, but compare my latest drawings to those done 1 - 2 months ago, and there doesn't seem to be any improvement at all. I must have hit the dreaded "art plateau". The solution to overcome this is to make more intense and accurate observations, keep on drawing and read more posts, art books and DVDs.
Below are my drawings for the past 2 weeks. Click images to see undistorted version.
I've started playing with my new black ballpoint pen to do 15-second continuous-line-non-stopping sketches of my mannequin as warm-ups. One of my mannequin's arm broke, which is why the sketches at the bottom has only 1 arm.
The desk pendulum clock again. For some reason, I can't draw this one well this time. Maybe it's cos' I had a bad day. I'm gonna try it again this week. One of the hardest shit in my home to draw due to confusing curves and intricate details:
The window grills look curvy, LOL! 4-point curvilinear perspective? No, it's because I can't draw straight lines and I try not to use rulers ("real artists don't use rulers").
The first drawing below is kinda wrong in perspective (based on the subject) and especially proportion, so I did a 2nd one down below:
I'll be getting this chair early next month:
With that chair, I can draw better in outdoors now!
For some reason, I just can't draw standing up.
The 2 books, Perspective Drawing Handbook by D' Amelio and Drawing Essentials by Deborah Rockman has arrived. Both are very detailed and concise, and if I had read these 2 6 months ago, no way would I be able to understand most of it. These 2 books are pretty advanced compared to the ones I've read so far.
Anyway, I'm gonna take the next few months to finish these 2 books, and with hard work, I hope to get just a bit more better than what I am now!
I realized only recently that I suck at drawing ellipses, and I totally suck at drawing curves.
This Sat and Sun, I'll be going for some outdoor drawing, including portrait drawing. My portraits are gonna turn out like trash, but it's always good to try.
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You have passion, and that is incredibly important, but you need a formal education or at least a mentor, preferably someone who can draw and paint. If you really want to become a truly good artist you need direction, commitment and focus, you already have the passion, all you need now is a very patient and knowledgeable instructor to help guide you through the steps to becoming a competent artist, that being said, i do think you have the potential to become a truly wonderful artist.
I wish you the very best
Those shoe studies are really nice.
And that crescent wrench is quite good!
You should start doing some master copies-- library books-- Leonardo, Durer, Rubens-- like easier "target practice" to prep you for your next life session.
great amount of hard work!
Keep that up!
Drawing those stilllifes is a very awsome way to study!
And getting the perspective stuff as a second nature is gonna help you to improve even faster!
So... Keep drawing and studying hard!
Wow. Simply, wow. The sheer volume of your studies and your insurmountable attitude is truly impressive, I can really see the hard work paying off !
You too, Xeon, are an inspiration.
One thing that helps me is to draw other peoples drawings or paintings, really trying to get a good feel for the form and imagine the construction process, I think this would benifit you too. If you get some catalougs from art dealers, they have oodles of high res reference to draw from, and plenty of portraits, which you say are your passion
Another thing I would say is to not be afraid. GO as dark as you can with your values, really push the contrast. If it turns out bad, who gives a damn ? Go to museums and draw the paintings, the people. Set up a longer still life and go for that extra dimension of realism.
But overall, keep it up !
I'll be watching
Nice job on the objects, may I suggest that you draw through your objects.
So instead of just drawing the front and side planes, lightly draw in the back planes and the forms that are blocked.
Also putting an object inside its own notional space, the imaginary rectangle surrounding the object, then breaking down the shapes and forms from there.
P Sage is doing this stuff now in his SB, take a look at how he is constructing the bottles. http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...165861&page=19
Did you ever pick up the Barnstone Dvd's? just wondering
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Which is why once my crappy graphic design course ends this year, I'll be taking up part-time night classes in basic fine arts, where they've life sessions, teachers, resources and other students' references to learn from.
So, if there's gonna be any major improvement, it's gonna be next year.
www.draw23.com), and in their portrait section, they mention about using head casts when you're learning to draw portraits, due to it being easier and you can take your time. I'm thinking of trying that, and maybe also copy portraits from high-res photos.
There's a lot to learn in art, though. Perspective, construction, rendering, accuracy etc....and each of these is like require 10 years to be proficient at them.
Yo, you too. Time to spam your own SB with sketches. I remember you're a student, so all the more there's no excuses to draw any lesser.I'll be watching
I'll check that out. The last I read his SB, he was still on that 1000-page gesture challenge. If there's anyone who's insanely in love with drawing figures, it's him.P Sage is doing this stuff now in his SB, take a look at how he is constructing the bottles. http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...165861&page=19
Nah, not yet. After spending a thousand bucks on the A3 scanner and the recent 2 books, my heart aches.Did you ever pick up the Barnstone Dvd's? just wondering
I'll buy his DVDs end of the year after I got my bonus.
I've seen his youtube vids (under 2 mins each) and it was enlightening as hell, so imagine what his DVDs can do.
I also heard he has sent the 1st draft of his book to the editor, so if it's true, then his drawing book may well be the One we're waiting for.
As always! Let's all work hard together. I want to buy and learn from Sheldon's figurative DVDs in the near future, so I gotta be proficient at drawing geometric shapes from any angle, in order to understand his stuff.
Are you still having trouble accessing my site? Its working on my end. That's worrying.
Its going to be difficult!
Your still lifes are really starting to look and line quality is improving. Keep going.
You have good works anyway.
Not much progress since you started this thread tbh.
You need to listen closer to the advices that people give you.
You draw alot but you seem to repeat your mistakes over and over. Read more about drawing. Read Loomis, Harold Speed etc. And _observe_ as much as you draw.
Have patience. Doing x amount of studies / day will get you nowhere if your not learning anything from it.
*For the time being, I would be satisfied to be at this level and I would be very happy if I didn't de-prove instead! *You draw alot but you seem to repeat your mistakes over and over. Read more about drawing. Read Loomis, Harold Speed etc. And _observe_ as much as you draw.
Have patience. Doing x amount of studies / day will get you nowhere if your not learning anything from it.
Sometimes, without direction and in-person guidance, it's hard to know what you did wrongly and reading books won't help since it's passive (Loomis's books won't jump at you and say "You drew that wrongly!") .
I would be contented to maintain at this level until next year when I go sign up for some art courses where there's some guidance.
Btw, thanks a lot for posting. It gives me a wake-up call and reality check!
Looks like you're putting in a lot of mileage. But from what you're posting, it doesn't look like you're doing very many extended studies. Try sitting down for a few hours so you can really learn from the object, ex. pay attention to reflected light instead of shading a cylinder how you think it should appear, render creases in drapery instead of only major folds.
Ya I know I know, but to draw realistic portraits from your imagination. I think that may take years haha! Sure you may be able to draw very believable portraits in a year or 2!
But to make everyone look different and realistic from your imagination. WHooooa!! There is so many faces!
If I can't get the award of the "Best Artist" or "Artist with the most astonishing improvement", then at least I'll try my best to get the "Densest artist award" or "The world's worst artist award". Not everyone gets a chance to enter their name in the guiness book of world records.
Seriously, though, although I love art, I'm of the belief that there are a handful of people in this world who can't make good art no matter how hard they try. I guess the most important thing is that we all enjoy the process of making art / drawings. Whether the piece of art is good is another matter.
Sigh....I need to rest a bit and take a break.
Xeon, i think you have improved, i do like some of your drawings of shoes quite much. It seems to me that you often still draw too much what you think things look like instead of what you really see, though. I think a good way to improve on that would be to draw from photographs/pictures as well as from life. My experience is that you can spot your errors more easily when drawing from photo than when you draw from life. Start by blocking in rough proportions and work from big to small. Trying to think in terms of solids is a good approach i think, but make sure to check the rough overall placement and proportions by measuring in two dimensions also. Just try to copy some images as faithful as possible, not only in line, but also in value, and I'm positive you will learn a lot from it. What I would also recommend is to get rid of those big black (out)lines everywhere which make your studies look unnatural and flat, especially try to reduce lines where only small changes occurs in the subject, e.g. don't draw a line all around the lips in your SPs, but rather stick with some middle line where the lips join.
I'm not a great artist myself, so feel free to ignore what I have written, yet I hope it makes some sense and will help at least a little bit. Just keep going !
btw: drawing outside must be quite comfortable with that "chair" of yours, though it may be a bit hard to carry around i guess :-)
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Anyway, I'm gonna start spending some of my drawing time drawing from photos. That will be easier for everyone to see where my problems are too.
Btw, does anyone know of any place online where we can get really cheap high-res photos? The photos I take myself may look crappy.
It's about 6 pounds (3 KG) and can be folded and carried around with a handle, and it's made in Germany, so it should be pretty good.btw: drawing outside must be quite comfortable with that "chair" of yours, though it may be a bit hard to carry around i guess :-)
you should try drawing portion by portion. like.. divide a picture u wanna draw into squares and do the same to the paper that u are using. try to concentrate on each square individually rather than drawing the it as a whole. hoped this helped?