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I watched incredibly talented friends of mine leave the studio one by one while this unfolded. It looks like CN is about to hit what they were headed for.
Link: Cartoon Network Loses Gamble
I guess they'd rather take the "safer" bet of RADICAL XTREME SPORTZ 4 BOYZ than do something genuinely entertaining or creative. I guess they didn't bank on the fact that their teenage boy demographic would rather be off playing Xbox or texting their friends than watching garbage like that.The LA Times has a huge front page story in it’s Business section today, reporting on Cartoon Network’s recent programming gamble on live action. From the article:
The new shows haven’t reversed the slide. In July, the network had the fewest viewers in that target age range since May 2000 and its least-watched month overall since June 1998.
There is internal tension as well, with many veteran animators either quitting or being handed their walking papers. There are even whispers inside the channel’s Burbank animation studios that the network might drop “Cartoon” from its name.
Angry? Yeah, just a little.
I'd be much happier if new, quality cartoons were still being made in addition to being able to watch the oldies :/
Edit: Posted this to Cheer me Up a few days back, but it feels relevant here as well.
It's gotta be cheaper to film something rather then animate it, you have to wonder how much live action filler they use just to stay afloat cost wise.
Not always the case; if the studio doesn't have their own facilities, you have to rent space, props and pay out royalties to actors. Most TV shows that are animated in Flash domestically can be done with a crew of around 20 - 30 people (at least it has been done where I've worked) and only the voiceover artists (who often perform multiple roles in a series) get royalties.
Flash isn't always as pretty as traditional and it can be limiting, but it still provides some sort of 2D creative outlet, dangit.
What CN appears to be doing to me anyway is the "let's make a show based solely on surveys and viewer polls!" formula. Think 'Poochie' from the Simpsons.
we've been watching the wreck on cartoon brew for awhile now - not surprised with the outcome.
Last edited by German-s; August 17th, 2009 at 10:05 PM.
What they need to do is start playing Ed, Edd and Eddy again and stop all this live action voodoo
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sucks.. just sucks... and to think that most of my english comes from watching that channel when i was in my teens... man... just sucks...
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I'd be totally fine with a replay of Samurai Jack. I've also heard Chowder and Flapjack were canceled and man.. I love Flapjack, it brought back memories of ren and stimpy.
What they really need to do is come up with good shows, full stop. Don't plan shows based on a target demographic and off of surveys, that doesn't really tell you anything. Make good series and give them an actual chance. And make them all ages friendly. I swear, I had so much fun catching some episodes of the Powerpuff Girls marathon they had and how much I missed that show (needs to get DVDs). There is nothing on right now that's like Powerpuff Girls or Dexter's Laboratory, something that reaches across the ages and genders. That's why it isn't working; it's all targeted towards 8-10-years-old and early adolescent boys. Get real creative shows on and they'll get their audience back and then some.
I wonder if they hired on the same idiot responsible for the inevitable death of the (now) Sy Fy network?
If they canceled flapjack and chowder they completely screwed. The only thing left even remotely worth watching is the clone wars series and that's probably on its last session.
Has it been confirmed that Flapjack and Chowder are canceled or is it merely word of mouth? It saddens and frustrates me to see cartoon spots being filled with nonsense live action shows like brain rush ( one of the new shows). Two more shows to come out and I've heard they even have 2 more Dramas planned....not to mention 2 live action movies.
It's sad to see this happening to a channel I grew up loving and watching... it's brought back so many good memories... like Ed, Edd and Eddy, Tom and Jerry... all of the great oldies! I haven't watched it for a while now, but now that they have the live action, I'm glad where have all the great cartoons gone!
A few years ago, I never missed Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends. Dexter, Samurai Jack, Cow & Chicken, and a few others that I can’t name on the top of my head were also pretty good!
Having worked on a game title for CN, I’m not surprised some execs are fucking up their feng-shui.
But Steph, don’t you think the same cycle from the late 90’s is repeating? Shitty titles or decisions having animation studios tank and sink and all that (coughCinarcough) … Urk I just got reminded of the XTREME KEWL Looney Tunes gone Loonatics… *slaps forehead*
I was a loyal Fosters fan, too. And I might have watched more CN if they hadn't gone live, but also turned out some pretty depressing concepts for some of their animated shows, too. Total Drama Island? Really? Do we need to market a cartoon about reality TV shows to kids? Are we really that fucked?? I mean... REALLY?!?
I think they kinda need to do what Nickelodeon does, they need to shell out some new shows every once in a while, take a chance and maybe find something good. Nickelodeon has a habit of shelling out shows that are god awful and last maybe a couple of months but in the process they usually manage to produce at least one series that sticks, Spongebob is an obvious popular one and I can honestly say I was surprised with how good Avatar the Last Airbender was
Why did they cancel Samurai Jack? That show was pretty bitchin' I don't think there was ever a final episode or anything was there? I hate when the primary conflict in the main plot is never resolved. And what was with Dexter's Laboratory and the sudden change in art direction? After a season or two the show completely changed its style, for the worst imo. What happened to Cow and Chicken? Or I Am Weasel? Where's my Cartoon Cartoon Fridays? What's happening to mah 'merica?
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Exactly what I was thinking. My son (8 yrs ) Hates, HATES, HATES Total drama Island and the spinoffs, including that wackass surf cartoon. Someone needs to grow some big ones at CN and bring back good cartoons. WB cartoons, Samurai Jack, Dexter's Lab, PPG's, Fosters, Grim, Juniper Lee, (Man, I liked Juniper Lee), Ed Edd and Eddy. Seriously, who wants to watch a CARTOON in REALITY tv format. I'm sad.I was a loyal Fosters fan, too. And I might have watched more CN if they hadn't gone live, but also turned out some pretty depressing concepts for some of their animated shows, too. Total Drama Island? Really? Do we need to market a cartoon about reality TV shows to kids? Are we really that fucked?? I mean... REALLY?!?
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but as a kid, I started to lose faith in CN when Ed, Edd and Eddy came out. There was a couple of interesting episodes in that series but the rest were just awful. I remember loving Dexter's Laboratory, The PowerPuffGirls, and a couple of shows from the early versions of Toonami. Samurai Jack was pretty innovative for something that was American-made.
For now, I'm just going to watch anime fansubs. It's amazing what they're doing in Japan. 2D is very much alive and well, and evolving. They are already 10 years ahead of us.