Last edited by nicehighs; October 1st, 2009 at 12:48 PM.
Living in a car sucks, do what you can to avoid it. Craigslist roommates in shitty neighborhoods or something. Also if you're serious about learning you can learn and practice anywhere, being at a good school with inspiring artists and all certainly helps but if the drive is inside you you'll make it work I know.
10-7-2008 changed your life huh, that's curious because that's when I decided deep down to change mine as well, also my 27th birthday but it seems like it's an important day ha!
And yeah, there's that Jason Manley word of wisdom thread, I think someone's been in a similar situation before.
i say ya gotta do what ya gotta do i lived under a free way overpass for about a year(not really by choice) an went to work when i was 15 i got paid under the table an saved up i had to get a friend to cosign on an apt cause i wasn't old enoughf things to think about ..... is thier a better way? can you set up a job in advance? you'll have to find places to use the restroom for bathing an what not.i admire your idea but really try to think it out so your safe an make'n a dission that you can really commit to im not say'n dont do it but im not recomending it JUST THINK' PLAN' AN BE SAFE' because when your alone the world can be scary an evil ......good luck
Look into camp grounds if this is something you are set on trying. Once you make some friends you might be able to couch surf here and there. I know some people who did that a lot when they were younger, and the key is to really really be a good guest. Buy groceries, offer to cook, etc.
I have permanent health problems from living out of my car for six months (joint, from being cramped, muscle issues, and some facial ick.)
It can be done, but if you can avoid it, do so. I've never heard of anyone planning to live out of their car-I don't think it's something that you do on purpose (living on the road, can be.)
I don't know... I don't think living in a car would be conducive to learning. I don't think in the interior of a car you could do your best work. You wont be inspired if you are miserable. I think you need to be in a place that is safe and comfortable if you want your art to flourish.
If you are miserable and not making art in North Carolina what makes you think being miserable in California will all of the sudden make your better?
How old are you?
It's kind of miserable to live that way and there's probably no shower in your car. Not only will you have to worry about criminals, but about the authorities. From pro bono work I've done, I know car dwellers in California are not immune to getting Citations from the Police for this or that form of minor infraction. You could be put in the situation where you either have to pay a few hundred for a sleeping outdoors ticket or else have a warrant on you. If you park too long in the same place, or your registration expires, you could come back and find your car has been towed with all your stuff in it. It's a very challenging lifestyle.
Where in North Carolina do you live?
Hola nicehighs. Come introduce yourself in the local North Carolina thread.
I understand the urge to move west as I too want to eventually move to Cali, even for a year or two. If you want to get your foot in the door of professional art, there are many video game companies right here in North Carolina. There are also a lot of kind professionals who would be willing to talk with you. Wheezy hosts sketch groups in Raleigh and there are a few of us a little closer to you too.
I know you can't wait to get going on your dream but one thing you can do is start networking right here in NC and establish yourself close to home. Once you are on your feet a little better then you can afford a more comfortable move to the west coast. A move to Raleigh or Greensboro would be a lot easier than moving across country.
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I moved to LA last October and rent quickly depleted my money. I was able to get a retail job during the Christmas season but I was given very few hours- I went weeks without going in and it was over in January. After that I was not able to find a job, not even in fast food. I applied for unemployment but didn't make enough money to get anything.
But if you're still set on it my landlady told us she'd give us 100 bucks if we found someone to move into her empty 1 bedroom. It's just a short walk to the beach!
Isn't Concept Design Acad first come first serve? I hear the classes fill up like the 2nd or 3rd day of registering. That could also be another factor.
ca will have online classes in a couple weeks. move to cali with no money and try to live in your car and then go to school to build relationships with top pros? you must be out of your mind. Keep sane man. CA will have some help for you soon and you could get the downloads too. That is similar info you will get there, minus the one on one time.
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The grass isn't necessarily always greener on the other side. You're lucky enough to have the internet, and know about conceptart.org Use your brain, and tackle what you need to tackle. Oh and living in California in your car? thats lol. There are streets that are owned by families. I wouldn't play hippie in this day and age bro
I'm sorry but all you need is three things.
1. A pencil
2. A piece of paper
3. The ability to put your head down and move the pencil on that paper for hours on end.
If your goal is to DRAW BETTER then everything else is secondary. If your goal is to experience hardship, put yourself under pressure, stress yourself or distract and otherwise pretend that you are now in an environment where "you have no other way to go but up" then do what you are thinking.
I'll say it again - If your goal is to DRAW BETTER then all you need is my 1st three steps. I promise you - everything else is bullshit.
You know what, as long as you have the health and ability to both sleep and wake then you have ALL you need and in fact, life is handed to you. Its handed to you each morning when you open your eyes. What you do with that day is up to you - not up to life. Everyone has "shit" that comes into their day but some take that "shit" and turn it into reason and purpose to do something better. Others take that "shit" and act like they have nothing easy.
Everyone has it, some in larger extremes than others. It's neither shit or greatness - it is very simply life. You make of it what you will.
What is sounds like you are doing, from your replies and your initial post is something that I did years ago. I mentioned it in a post a while ago. It goes something like this:
One of the greatest ways of dealing with the FEAR of Drawing is through distraction. Whether it is fear of "I won't make it in this field", or "what is my stuff isn't good enough?" or "I'm afraid of what else I'll have to do if I am unable to make a living at art" or the other thousand things people can bring up. Talking about, asking about and otherwise trying to set yourself up by motivating, inspiring and pretending that you NEED to be in X situation in order to do Y thing is bullshit and distraction.
That Y thing is D R A W I N G. In its purest form, at its greatest level all you need to do is burn some wood in an alley (or find bums doing it), take some of the resulting charcoal/burnt wood, find or beg for a brown paper bag from the grocery store and start making shapes. Do that for years, every single day, for hours on end and you will have what you want.
If I am wrong then explain how some people in life have significantly less yet they end up significantly above so many others. It's not the situation that you are IN or the situation that you put yourself in that matters. It is what you DO with that situation. You are trying to go extreme to "get your mind right and better prepare yourself for art". Take a step back, re-evaluate and just get your mind right. You don't NEED to be in a car to do that. You just need to sit in a quiet corner each day and think for 20 mins.
"The greatest downfall of man is his inability to sit in a room quietly for 20 minutes and just think."
Yeah I was gonna say. I don't think most pros were hired because of their locale, they were hired because they had good portfolios. I mean moving like that is the same kind of mentality all these kids get in their head when wanting to become a movie star. They end up being prostitutes or screwed up porn stars. Don't do that to yourself.
Just worry about how to make good art then once you get a kickass portfolio then you'll be able to find jobs in another state.
i cant say i know 100% how you feel but, know this, like many on this page I am teaching myself with the power of the internet. I don't want piles of student debt and unlike so many other professions art is one where you don't need a degree to make it because your work can speak for its self.
Make your connections here online if you want attend a school but it needn't be the best in the industry most art schools can be flexable do your projects with a concept art twist most of the skills all art schools teach are needed regardless such as figure drawing. You can even take charge of your own learning and teach yourself. Make plans and lists of what you need to learn organize it and then follow that plan. Seek advice for improvement online in places like here pixelbrush, CGsociety and the many more online communities.
You can teach yourself anywhere in the world i live about as far away from the industry as i could manage in the outskirts of Canada(and i mean outskirts) that wont stop you from learning in today's world.
Like its been said before if you can avoid hardship do it because you cant focus on getting better if you need to focus on surviving natural instincts will just take over and yull be woring about your next meal not about art.
Like alot of people around here if you need advice if i can help i will just hit me up
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jason: thank you so much for this online class idea...Ive thought about it before but didn't know how to pitch it to anyone. we have one concept art school here in Austin (well actually cedar park) and its a massive load of tuition I can't afford, plus 4 years long. do you think you could maybe also have a short edited version of the lectures for a lower price too? I know this is probably the wrong thread but this is really exciting for people who can't move out to California.
Yep, in these ages, learning by yourself (ahhh the internet) is the best way to go. Of course the one on one instructions is great, but self determination is priceless (and that's something nobody can teach you). Good luck!
On the subject of California, this place is awesome and I waited every day for 16 years to be able to move back to SanFran. It's great. It's also extremely expensive, so I can't emphasize this enough- do not move here unless you're very, very sure that you can get a job that pays enough for rent and food. No living out of the car either, you're underestimating how fast that's going to get old.
On another note, I've been going to the Academy of Art since January- the teachers and classes are great, but I fully intend to drop out after the Fall. If you're at all serious about doing art, you're going to quickly find that you outpace your classes and are finding the material to study on your own. That leaves making contacts, which you can easily do in NC. So really, if you're gonna live in a car, don't move out here just for a school.
Besides, the hills here hate cars .
get a van, Parking is going to be a big issue to consider, but im sure with some determination you could scout out a good routine to avoid street sweeping. you could get a gym membership and use their showers too. Road trip on the weekends. total freedom! Go FOr IT!
Get your art to where it needs to be, the rest will fall into place.
Algenpfleger is a good example of this. He busted his ass for a long time on his own, with the internet and his own determination to get better, and now he's attending the art school he's been working to get into. Which, if you take a look at the entrance exam work in his SB, is no easy task.
Having other artists around is helpful, but it's not mandatory. Learn all of the basics on your own, get your art to the point where you feel you need instruction more than practice in order to improve, and then take the plunge if need be.
Do what needs to be done to make the dream happen, but don't be reckless.
This is a funny thread. Pasadena is an upscale, trendy place (I went to Art Center in Pasadena and am familiar with the area) - as a basically homeless person I don't think you're likely to win friends and influence people very effectively.
You're better off getting student loans to an accredited school like Art Center, so that when you graduate you actually have some kind of degree.
I think you need to save money, enough to be able to move and live here, which can be expensive - there's rent, food, health insurance, car, car insurance, not to mention school expenses and art supplies. I see so many students crazily throwing themselves at pipe dreams with zero plans and no way to realistically make things work. You will have to fit in with the culture of the people who live in Pasadena, and a lot of these folks are pretty wealthy - if you look, behave, and live like a homeless person, I think you will be out of luck. You're better off planning and saving and making progress where you live - there's an atelier in NC, and there are many good art schools. Check into East Carolina as well as UNC - and get your foundations and your degree, while being able to afford your education by taking out reasonable student loans. Then work and save, and when you can afford to be out here, make the move.
Taking a look at your sketchbook, I think you'd be wise to study foundations at a local community college or college - get the basics, figure drawing, still life drawing, perspective etc. on the cheap. A lot of the people who take classes at CDA already have these foundations, I don't think you need to move across the country to learn basic drawing and painting.
Last edited by Rebeccak; May 14th, 2009 at 03:42 AM.
If you're going to Concept Design Academy, it's doable.... because their classes are at night. You can still get some sleep and a part-time day job.