Is anyone else finding this frightening? If they think American war veterans are "domestic terrorists", while refusing to call foreign terrorists "terrorists" (changing War on Terror to the "Over Contengency Plan" to take care of the "Man-Made Disasters" -what a load-), who will they NOT call domestic terrorists? http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
Being a conservative, and a growing teen, I am scared to see the Department of Homeland Securty, operated by members appointed by our current president's administration, calling me out and placing me under surveillance just because they have speculation, under no credible evidence, I would strike out against my OWN country!
What an insult!
I love my country! That is why I supported the Tea Party April 15, 2009! Stop the progession to big government! Stop following the divisive tools that are being used to undermine and divide our society! Stop the deteriation of our Constitutional Rights! Stand up for our Constitution! Stand up for our Rights! Stand up for our Freedom!
Let us have our voices heard!
I am proud to be a Texan. Thank you Rick Perry, you are one hell of a hero!
Welcome to what the rest of us have been going through for the last eight+ fuckin' years... How's it feel?
...and if I remember correctly, Texas doesn't have the right to secede from the US, but it does have the right to divide into four new states (could be wrong...), so why not do it? Just slice off three areas about a 100 square miles of desert each and move all the foreigners, gays, liberal bastards, and non-Christians into them. That should make the rest of the fuckin' state deliriously happy.
Last edited by Ilaekae; April 18th, 2009 at 01:56 AM.
No position or belief, whether religious, political or social, is valid if one has to lie to support it.--Alj Mary
Ironically, the concept of SIMPLICITY is most often misunderstood by simple-minded people. --Alj Mary
You know what else is fun to watch? All these people who are all of a sudden outraged at the same shit the people they support have been doing in the White House over the past eight years. Glen Beck is a hack and gave a performance so bad only Uwe Boll could have wrote it. It's all theatrics in the mainstream media these days.
Tea parties? Really? Do they even know what the original tea party was about? Spoiler: YOU HAVE REPRESENTATION WITH YOUR TAXATION. Just because you don't agree with the representation doesn't mean you don't have it. Obama is a US citizen, nobody gives a shit about middle names, and he's not a communist. There's a few people i'd like to teabag right now.
If Socialism is such a bad thing then why don't we get rid of all Socialist programs? There goes public school, public transport, public libraries, medicare, social security, and any other social program. Of course that would be good wouldn't it? The only people on welfare are lazy brown people right? Oh, and by the way, Obama has only been in the white house a few months. Those pesky tax rates you guys are protesting, guess who made them?
Go ahead, guess.
No really, I'll wait.
Here's a hint:
It's called being the minority, welcome and enjoy your stay for the next seven years. The only thing that remains is the most rightly of right and the most butthurt of all. So the right is going to do what the right does best: fearmonger. SOCIALISM, TAKING AWAY YOUR DEFENSE, SPENDING ALL YOUR MONEY, HIGHER TAXES, DEAD BABIES, GAY MARRIAGE, AMERICA IS DEAD. Remember that war? Remember the tax cuts for the wealthy? Remember the drainage of social security? Remember the beginning of the recession? Now you know how we feel.
I don't care what Obama does from now on, these few weeks have been the funniest in a long time. Greatest president ever.
"Astronomy offers an aesthetic indulgence not duplicated in any other field. This is not an academic or hypothetical attraction and should require no apologies, for the beauty to be found in the skies has been universally appreciated for unrecorded centuries."
Ilakae and buckweasel you guys just made my day. Both those posts were great.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
--- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Check out my Sketchbook! Critique and Criticism welcomed.
or my Deviantart!
· or check out my: Blog
After the last 8 years of being labeled "unpatriotic" and a "traitor" for criticizing the President, I'm supposed to feel sympathy?
Too bad the rest of us never got to throw those temper tantrum, oops I mean "Tea Parties" that the Republicans threw. Teabagging is fun!
Im sooo glad i got outta Texas. The past 10 years in that place politicaly kinda sucked the big one. With W as the Governor and then decided he need a bigger desk and became the president of 'Merica then along came Rick Parry came along and im not too sure it was a improvement ( I was pulling for Kinky ) Also cant forget the HR rep Lemar Smith was one of four bastards that got the ball rolling on the Orphan Works bill.....thats not taking a huge steamy crap on anyone's rights at all. Then in the last election i couldnt get away from the Obama Hussein bs. This is only a small sampling of the fun that goes on in Texas aside from the blatant racism. Ausitin and the Spurs (thats if you like basketball) are about a few of the positive quality the state has to offer.
BDS really never goes away, does it? It will take a life time of therapy apparently. It's amusing how people who apparently are in principle against percieved civil liberty violations simply drop those principles when convienent.Originally Posted by Ilaekae
Originally Posted by Buckweasel
What's interesting about that report is was the language your referring to was actually flagged by the DHS own internal civil liberties lawyers, yet the report was rushed out anyway. Why? To coincide with the Tea Parties, of course.
The report describes "Rightwing extremism" broadly as “those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
Catholics! Terrorists! Founding Fathers? Terrorists! The timing and tenor of the report is so amateurish as to be laughable.
No. Preferably you would have principles and stick up for them regardless of the political situation.After the last 8 years of being labeled "unpatriotic" and a "traitor" for criticizing the President, I'm supposed to feel sympathy?
btw, there was between 250,000 - 500,000 people attending the Tea Parties nationwide. Pretty good turnout. July 4th is the schedule for the next ones. We'll see if this thing has legs.
Coincidentally, me and my father were just talking about this yesterday. His friend Eric Newton is a Vietnam war vet and isn't a big fan of the Obama administration. In fact he criticizes it at every turn. Turns out he's been put on a watch list for it, apparently they consider it "unpatriotic sedition" or something like that, which is ironic seeing as America was founded on "unpatriotic sedition"
In any case, please remember that not all of us down here in Texas are racist, sexist, gun toting homophobes. Nor do we live on ranches. Nor is Texas one big desert. We don't dress like cowboys either. Or ride horses everywhere. And that thing on Family Guy about us executing the retarded also isn't true. So, yeah, I'd appreciate it if everyone would spread that piece(es) of info around
Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die
Those tea parties are fucking hilarious. Watching all the reactionary fox news puppets go out and cry Hitler because their bosses will be forced to endure a %3 tax increase. Where were you jokers during the Bush administration when they started the bailouts? Or when Gas prices were at their highest and EXXON Mobile was reporting record profits and investigations into oil speculators were mysteriously dropped? I could keep going but I don't have to. My guy already won.
And you're wrong about Texas not being able to secede. We can. It is writen in our own Constitution when we were the Republic of Texas. And honestly, if we were to secede, we would be estimated to have the 10th best economy in the world. How you ask? Well think about it: we have acess to the Gulf for global trade, we have our own power grid and our own telecommunication (something many states do not have), our own source of energy (oil), and plentiful produce. Our taxes are very low in comparison to other states (we have no real state tax) which is a combination of a conservative led government and not taking any bailout money.
So tell me, since nobody has directly answered the thread's question: Are Conservatives Domestic Terrorists? The majority of the responces are about Bush... I'm not so sure how that corrilates but, OK!...
My main forcus, in case if it had gotten sceewed, was why would the Federal Government issue an order to put a particular class of individuals under survaillance? Why on Earth treat your own people as a threat? Why be so divisive? Because we're unhappy? Because we do not like to see our President appologizing for our idiocy (which I fail to see) to foreign leaders? Because he blantantly showed his own absorbed subservianence to Saudi's King? Because he has told a private business owning individual to step down from his company? Are you beginning to see why we are mad? Are these valid reasons to want to deem us as "domestic terrorists?"
And please, the taxes were to be expected. I have no idea how so many people missed the writing on the wall when they saw how massive the spending bill was. There was NO WAY that TAXES WOULD NOT INCREASE from such a massive spending bill!! Plenty of people opposed it, knowing the bailout was a terrible, TERRIBLE idea because kids like me and our children will suffer the ramifications of the ludicrous and insatiable nature of this adminstrations outlandish spending bill. I will admit, however, federal bailouts to banks makes sence, but bailing out private industries is when you cross the line. Why? If you begin to baby the private sector by getting them "bailed out" you are tainting people's minds with ideas suggesting it is okay to get federal money to survive and that it's okay for Momma Obama to demand private industry leaders to step down. I mean, the Feds gave them money, right? SO I guess they have the right to manipulate and re-structure the private industries that recieved parts of the spending bill. EEEH-UUUUR!!!!
People, please, get your heads on. It's called Social Darwinism and tax cuts: The stronger businesses survive while the weak one's die off. And while the businesses are duking it out, cut people's taxes to encourage spending! Not just that, but constantly tell the public how GOOD the ECONOMY IS NOT how BAD it is (something that our leader didn't do)!! With the duo combination going on, businesses will either get themselves out of debt's range or file bankruptcy and the money would flow around into the Feds pockets. It least would of stopped a good deal of the debt we've placed ourselves into.
Friends, we must be careful. Big Brother is watching not just the Conservatives, but soon the American People.
Can you please explain to me why the Tea Parties are so funny? I fail to see why people standing up against a chronic disease's infultration into our oval office and administration to be a roit. Please tell me why you're laughing.
Okay, if you look at your histroy, Bush was a Liberal leaning Conservative. His reaction to the failing economy (because of bad morgage loans, hold on! This has a point to it) was actually a counterreaction to his attempts at WARNNING us about the doom Fannie May and Freddie Mac would ensnare upon America (and he did so for 6 years, told you there was a point!).
I have no idea where that gas comment is coming from but okay! Yes, the price of gas did increase because of speculation. Um... how is that sequiter with Conservatives being "domestic terrorists?"
I hate to be told a speculation - that I'm supposed to accept - answering a speculation. Where's the reason? Where's the facts? Where's the credible evidence? Where? I don't see anything but hollow words.
Of course the oder was written in haste. The rhetoric is simplistic and makes many speculations and assumption that have no base. And yes, the order was released a few days before the Tea Party because they wanted to worry people about it. Thank you for noticing!
In its essence, the order is a tool: A tool to scare the public into thinking that Conservatives are domestic terrorists; a tool to scare the public into thinking that Conservatives are evil. I find it frightening that such an order even EXISTS! The idea of making such an order is sickening, but to actually have the audacity to make it? And to issue it? That is too scary for words.
We have a very divisive individaul is charge of commanding the leaders of these American departments. We have not been prepared for what is about to come.
This was not a Republican event. I cannot express my irritation towards how many people have made that common error. Bronke, this was an event shared by both sides of the spectrum. It was not one sided but dually sided.
We are the UNITED States of America. Appart we are feeble. Together we are strong. Both parties feel the unrest and need for action.
Looking at the state of the American educational institutes and taking Bush as a Texan average, I'm not so sure about that.There is no need to spell it out,You're right, that's just ridiculous, unlike religion and creationism.your shallow commit says it all. You have claimed that "those 4 people" are the ONLY Texans that are civil? I'm sorry, but I just cannot take you're commit seriously. To post something unsupported with any evidence is not proving anything but you own arrogance.I just follow the following rule, for every vocal moron I see from a specific region, there's 999 more that are not vocal. This leaves about 4 people left in Texas as an error margin who are still normal.Please prove yourself so that I may be wrong.
I hate to be told a speculation - that I'm supposed to accept - answering a speculation. Where's the reason? Where's the facts? Where's the credible evidence? Where? I don't see anything but hollow words.Gee golly gosh sir Wiggs mam, I never used mah noggin in such a super serial manner before to actually to have to redaim mahself. Whatever am I to do.Redeem yourself!
Political Retardation in full effect.
Like suddenly now that Obama is in office, right wing nutjobs are being watched. Like the FBI hasn't been watching them all along. Like everybody's rights have been so crippled these last 8 years. No fucking conception of responsibility whatsoever. Complain complain complain and yet no attacks for 8 years. Ego infested hate fueled ingratitude. Somebody hands you your line-in-the-sand morality, and then you stand behind it and shout "fascism" and whine about laws you haven't read in between marathon bouts of World of Warcraft. Meanwhile, gitmo is still open, where that Koran wasn't flushed down the toilet, where the prisoners got fat on good food, and then at the end of the year they'll be transferred to some worse shit hole, but nobody will bother about them anymore because Obama ain't no fascist. And there are still methods being used by our government that at least somebody will find to be torture, we're still in Iraq, but everybody seems happier because the guy in the white house can speak English. As long as the symbol is your symbol, who cares about principles. Well the principles are all elective anyhow... pick a moral stance that will win the argument and begin arguing. I think Gitmo should be closed immediately and anybody who doesn't close it immediately is a Hitlerite Fascist human-rights defying war criminal. Okay, Obama... that means you. I've got the moral high ground now, wheres the World Court when you need it.
When Obama said he stood for post partisanship, I wish the frothing assholes of various political persuasions were capable of being postpartisan emotionally. Politics make people pathetic. Goethe was fucking wrong when he said, "The confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished." Because nobody is paying attention anymore to the difference between subjectivity and objectivity. Its a fucking orgy of narcissism.
So we have a swooning nutjob like Glenn Beck crying for his country, Chris Matthews with a thrill up his leg, Rush Limbaugh as fat hypocrite asshole, Kieth Olbermann in a Clark Kent costume preening over his wit that he can express the simplest idea with the longest possible awkward construction. Fucking Michael Moore just plain making up shit, 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs proliferating because paranoia is being encouraged and critical thinking is shunned because it can't move product. And on and on and on...
You all should go fucking draw!
This has been kev
Last edited by kev ferrara; April 18th, 2009 at 04:17 PM.
At least Icarus tried!
My Process: Dead Rider Graphic Novel (Dark Horse Comics) plus oil paintings, pencils and other goodies:
My "Smilechild" Music. Plus a medley of Commercial Music Cues and a Folksy Jingle!:
But I hate you not for your verbal assault;
Diversity is a wonderous and terrible thing. People are allowed to continue to mock, ridicule, belittle, and scrutinize, - attack - others for their beliefs, traditions, and race and, honestly, though I think of it to be horrible, I respect your opinion;
For it is the Christian way to love thy neighbor.
My sketchbook, if you really want to see it...
"Picasso is a painter, so am I;... Picasso is Spanish, so am I; Picasso is a communist, neither am I." - Salvador Dali
Tea Party organizers purchased one million teabags to protest "wasteful spending". Consevative hipocracy at it's finest.
Apparently, they were going to dump them in Lafayette park. Then realized that is illegal, and they didn't have a permit to do so.
Logic and foresight is such a rarity these days.
While I somewhat understand that you are upset by this it's not a new thing.
Domestic 'terrorism' has always been a bigger risk for a large country than foreign terrorism.
It's the same with murder, chances are far higher that you are killed by a relative than a random stranger. And you are far more likely to die in a car accident than to be killed by a terrorist. But we don't see it that way because our risk perception works otherwise.
Even before Timothy McVeigh blew up that building in Oklahoma City certain rightwinged organisations were watched. And after McVeigh this intensified.
Because people think/believe that he was related to such groups.
So nothing new so far.
Next veterans... Oh, Timothy was a veteran.
Next why look at certain groups. People with experience with guns/explosives are more likely to be able to cause terror with them. So from a profiling point of view they are making the obvious choices.
Can we go back to art now?
At some point you begin to see the futility of it all. It doesn't matter who is in office, someone will always be upset.
My work: [link]
you guys, texas is SICK and TIRED of this oppressive government. like when they asked FEMA for assistance for wildfires, when they got federal military assistance for border control, like when they requested $29.4 billion for disaster relief for their hurricane problems. or last year when gov' perry asked for:
housing assistance $ 3.4 billion
critical Infrastructure $ 1.9 billion
economic development $ 545.0 million
economic development - gulf opportunity zone $ 14.3 billion
forestry, agriculture, and fisheries $ 1.1 billion
social services $ 1.4 billion
transportation $ 536.5 million
workforce services $ 570.0 million
educational services $ 712.7 million
navigation and waterways $ 3.2 billion
health care and mental health services $ 209.4 million
utility infrastructure $ 1.6 billion
he totally hated taking that money and help.
Hypocrite!You all should go fucking draw!