You know, as much as I like to rag on DA for being a being a huge compost heap of lowest common denominator crap (with a few rare diamonds in it), I also have to acknowledge that it never claims to be anything else. Forums like conceptart.org and characterdesign.com have a very clear professional and educational focus. It's a tone that we choose to maintain because the founders have a very clear vision of the kind of resource they'd like to provide and most members have a clear idea of what they'd like to gain from participating here. DA makes no such assumptions. We really don't have a right to expect anyone there to be capable of giving a good, considered crit let alone be mature enough to take one. It's a vacuous environment. I really don't see how it's worthy of even negative attention. Yeah, it's bastion of bad taste, unoriginality and poor skill, but so is the real world.
...Now, the second their members come over here expecting the same treatment... Well, then they're fair game.
Last edited by N D Hill; April 5th, 2009 at 02:01 PM.
I am getting messages of critiques on pictures that I don't know from artists that I don't know.. what?
When the crit thing will be public, I am awaiting the DA critique elite and a lot of funny drama and bawwing.. is there a popcorn smiley?
I just took a break to post this.
But sometimes I also draw stuff
My SketchBook http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=139784
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=192127"Everything must serve the idea. The means used to convey the idea should be the simplest and clear. Just what is required. No extra images. To me this is a universal principle of art. Saying as much as possible with a minimum of means."-John Huston, Director
bottom line: i want to see better art. if people get the know-how needed from subscribing to this on da, then so be it. i really hope those artists who spend their money get the advice to help them grow as artists. while i may not agree with deviantart on a number of topics, i am glad they are acknowledging the opportunity they can potentially provide on their website to offer such an experience as artists for their users. it is a shame they are charging for this service, but in time perhaps things may change.
i personaly offer to provide anyone an honest critique of their work through conceptart, whether in the critique center or not, should they send a private message to me requesting one.
That's just how DA rolls, you only have free-speech on your own profile page if you disagree with someone on their page they can get you banned for breaking the peace.
My sketchbook, if you really want to see it...
"Picasso is a painter, so am I;... Picasso is Spanish, so am I; Picasso is a communist, neither am I." - Salvador Dali
So umm...it's another bitch about DA thread right? Nothing new. I guess CA is a good place to bitch about DA instead of not using it and keep using CA if you find it so offensive.
Apparently they just got rid of the "crits welcomed/encouraged/not wanted" check box, and replaced it with a box that allows premium members to write crits in. But you need to be a premium member to get the box under your art in the first place.
Those DA kids are amateurs. They don't want to be artists. They just do art to have fun. What's wrong with that. There are plenty of amateurish people who don't care about professionalism or whatever, they don't even want to improve, they just want to have to some fun.
I think the mistake of DA is try to have both amateurish and professional elements in them. So a lot of people who honestly try to improve are misled.
It should be named, "the ultimate amateur artists' anime site". Oops.
Some of the photographers on DA are absolutely brilliant. And many of the other artists as well. Most of you seem to forget that a huge majority of CA users also maintain a DA gallery for promotional purposes.
I think this topic is going on a bad direction.
(I saw before this battles about DA, never a happy end...)
I better go draw... or paint
"The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has."
The point is that whether its traditional schooling or completely self taught it ends up exactly the same thing, if they want to get anywhere they need to know what every professional artist has used every single bit of their time to learn and learn until they can recite it front to back, back to front, left to right, right to left and upside down in their sleep without any help at all.
It doesn't matter whether they are interested in some parts, hell nearly every serious artist gets bored sometimes while doing studies or color theory, even if its only for a moment. its like having a job, i find my job so damn boring but i don't quit because it is important to have, what matters is that i am able to pay my bills at the end of the month, keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, what i'm saying if your not willing to suffer for what you love, you don't deserve to do it at all.
Crit for a crit!
yeah.. I'm with Noel. Leave it alone, in my case with a closing line.. "sad", or something.
Plus, imagine the situation where a students sends a message to a really good professional artist on that site, asking for a crit. Normally, the person would comment if he had time and interest. Now, you might get messages like, "You don't have a premium account, i only crit premium members for my fair crit rating." etc. You never know.
You're forgetting that your reasons for doing art are radically different. It's a matter of motivation - they do it because they find it fun, you do it because it pays the bills. Your approach would we completely unsuited to their particular case.It doesn't matter whether they are interested in some parts, hell nearly every serious artist gets bored sometimes while doing studies or color theory, even if its only for a moment. its like having a job, i find my job so damn boring but i don't quit because it is important to have, what matters is that i am able to pay my bills at the end of the month, keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, what i'm saying if your not willing to suffer for what you love, you don't deserve to do it at all.
As for "if you're not willing to suffer for it, you don't deserve to do it", I think that's more of an attempt at rationalizing another issue - "ie, if I suffered to get where I am today, it'd be unfair if others didn't suffer as well", in which case, I disagree - I believe art can be a leisure activity and something you can enjoy without suffering (and should, IMHO).
but to be honest in all this kind of threads about DA that form time to time keep poping on CA, there is an implicit(sometimes explicit) comparison between the two sites.
in any case to me is really peculiar
edit:i'm not exactly talking about the op topic but more about the discussion that came after
Last edited by DIMAGYAN; April 5th, 2009 at 06:24 PM.
It's not elitist to poke fun at DA. Like N D Hill said, it doesn't take itself seriously so why should anyone else? It's like getting your feelings hurt when someone makes fun of your favorite clown.
And I do in fact have an active DA account myself. I'm not afraid to laugh myself silly at some of the shit you find there, though.
I mean come on!
Seriously, here's a third (fourth?) opinion - somebody is trying to nab a couple of new sheep for the Church via Naruto.
Oh, and lets not forget this.
I do my art for fun too, while i would love to be able to live off the money i make from my art, its purely for fun 1st and foremost, i do want a career in art and i will get there someday.
I want people to have fun doing there art, i rushed my answer so it came out a little wrong, what i mean is people who say they want to be the best in whatever field they choose but aern't willing to work hard for it, who just dismiss crits from people who know what they are talking about, and then go as far as to actually they that the professionals are wrong and are stupid while they are right. its like someone saying they can't get a girlfriend/boyfriend but won't even go and attempt to talk to whoever they like, so basicly its all whinging and no action. I would just like to see all these people who want to get somewhere back it up with some hard work and an open mind. and maybe suffer is a little harsh but you can get my drift.
Crit for a crit!
But hey c'mon, you know what I meant when I said asspattings and buttkissings when I mentioned snapesnogger. I meant people that acted like her on deviantart.
Last edited by LORD M; April 6th, 2009 at 11:04 AM.
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