Thank you! Tony is a genius.. it might be a bit of a challenge to do envelopes with ball point pen but you can still practice the concepts for sure. Glen does not have a book but I hope he does some day.. I have asked him and he laughed.. I have no idea if that means there's a plan or to shut up! The good thing of studying with him is I have amassed a huge image log of his work to study from - I'm sure Aztecfireflower might say something similar.. Failing is mostly about not achieving more of what I want - but I don't stop trying!Originally Posted by prnsweeney
RBeek - thank you!
monsi - yes it is! I love drawing and painting people -thank you !
[QUOTEsurus] Thanks for the offer and the new sketches! Maybe you could describe the block-in-process combined with your thinking about / searching for landmarks of the object? [/QUOTE]
Hi Surus, for quick drawings there really is no "block-in" per se but there is a quick gestural decision ( decision with charcoal pencil) where i try to capture the motion, rhythm and/or major shapes and how they relate. in short drawings under 5/10 minutes there is just no time.. But tilts are important - the attitude of the head, the upper torso, the hip-box and legs - all come into play to get the person positions and to push the pose a bit to capture the dynamic of the movement.
For longer poses, a very careful envelope is developed, general at first and then more specific - that becomes ( like Tony Ryder teachers) a careful contour of the figure; I then work the landmarks inside and back out.. keeping an eye toward all the convexities of the human body.. I hope that helps some!
teh.meh thank you!
Loathsome - thank you - yes there is a new portrait - check in fine arts my post there..
Yor - thanks!!!
Devrak - thank you so very much for those kind remarks!
JS Neo - thank you !
Swooshbuckler - you should do it!!
Shadow and Lang Oulk -thank you both kindly!
Marmalade_fish - thank you for such a thoughtful note!!! I am humbled!
Joe824 - did I respond ? I am behind..Academy positive - totally - there are several great teachers there.. You learn pretty fast who they are and who you will want to learn from ( and who to avoid).
EranWebber - thank you !! yes it is so much about the decisions we make isn't it!!
MacTire - thank you super muchly!!! cheers mate!
Thank you all for such kind remarks.. I am pushed by such good thoughts to keep working harder.. you have no idea how much this pushes me!! Kevin
ok a few new quick things.. 1-2, 5, 10 and 20 minute gesture drawings.. all from life.. NIcole and Thalia were the models.. on newsprint/smooth with charcoal pencil and conte noire ..
about 4" x 6" on strathmore field drawing paper ( not recommended for this type of work but not the worst thing in the world..
wow the last one looks amazing beautifull work. ha a laugh huh i hope some day mr. orbik decides to publish something i learn so much from his work and luckly he does have an online gallery. im jealous you get to learn from him personally what a great experience. And lately i have been drifting away from ryders envelope method and trying more of the basic shape construction method and building the figure from blocks, but this is for studies that are around an hour long or shorter. o one last thing on the last drawing how did you achieve such rich velvet like darks without the graphite getting "shiny" ?
Hey Kevin just had to post again to let you know how beautiful these last drawings are. They seem so loose and expressive to me. I also really appreciate your reply to Surus as you point out some good things. The cast drawing also looks exceptionally rendered. I think you deserve a lot of good thoughts and encouragement for all your hard work. You are truly inspiring to me.
yap awesome stuff... you're da man... your work is really inspiring. thanks for sharing. i was basically taught the same envelope/encasement principle, but your results are far superior to anything i've ever created
such confidence in these ! I love these gestures and your paintings.. also love your ballpoint pen work!! wow! keep posting please!!
Those figures of Nicole are terrific. When I am really warmed up, nothing like Conte. The first marks sort of "feel" out the form lightly in volume, then you know exactly where to place your dark edges. Expertly done, I can tell you are really primed right now. Nice cast study as well!
Really aesthetically pleasing figures and gestures.. Watching!
prsnsweeney, thanks ! I think Tony Ryder's envelope process works especially well for longer drawings and there is just not enough time to do that for a gesture or short ( say under an hour or two) drawing. To me, using basic shapes, the related rhythms of the forms ( a la Frank Reilly, Fred Fixler, Glen, RaileyH, AztecFF, et al) really serves the draftsman well in that space. That shine-y quality of graphite happens mostly when we push hard w/o building up sections more slowly. There is graphite shine on most drawings - it is a bit inevitable and can add to the luster and beauty of the drawing too. I see a little bit on this drawing but I also am careful when I photograph to not catch whatever sheen there is.. So- net - it is slowly building the forms with layers of HB graphite and then some 6b at the end to hit key darks..Originally Posted by prsnsweeney
Adrian, thank you !Originally Posted by Adrian Wilkins
I hope to but at the moment I don't know when that will be.. I am studying at this place called the Guild Atelier in the fall.. check them out! Keep up the great progress!!!!Originally Posted by Chaser226
Hiya Marian! Thank you always great to hear from a fellow sufferer (I mean student/artist/etc.,) !! Thank you and keep up the good work yourself and keep posting so I can see!Originally Posted by Marian Rowling
Fedde - thank you - I'm glad you are seeing things you dig! Yes I should post some new ball point stuff but they mostly sit quietly in my (real) SB !Originally Posted by fedde
don't give up - you can do it! (it's mostly practice, analysis, patience, good teaching and more practice!)Originally Posted by papervampire
mliu - thank you !!
Thanks Brandon! Yeah the conte noire is like butter..Originally Posted by BRANDONJONES
pamukluprenses Really aesthetically pleasing figures and gestures.. Watching!
Thank you Pamukluprenses!! ( that's hard to write!)
Dude, that Cast Study is just AWESOME!!! Your sketchbook is amazing! Congratulations XD
You are incredibly good.
I aspire to be able to do what you do.
. . .blowing my fuk'en mind! Awsome
Check out my sketchbook
they keep posing so I gotta keep droring!!! all from life at ARmy street, San Francisco - mostly 2, 5, 10 and 20 minute gestures..
every mark is striking.
great work my friend.
Art and kindness are my weapons of choice.
love your life drawings very inspiring. hey just out of curiosity do you still do drawings in pen or ink ? i see the ones at the begining of your sb every time i open it and i love them. they are awsome. o and thank you for the response on getting the darks with layering. i try to layer with a pencil but i always get impatient and go to dark to fast
Such a joy to meet your artwork. I love it. My English is terrible but it should be good enough to say that such works inspire and encourage me. Give your muse my regards.
Thank you everyone for your kind words.. just a quick update of a few studies in my sketchbook - both in graphite - from from a J. S. Sargent drawing and the woman is from Leon Cogniet - very subtle and likely doesn't translate well..
Prsnsweeney - I do have some pen work and still do but decided to try working mostly in graphite in my new sketchbook since I do drawings at school in graphite mostly at the moment.. but I'm glad you dig them and I will post some when I have them!
Seeing what you do with the figure drawings is inspiring. Things such as line weight and rendering are applied nicely.
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -- Confucius
Thanks for sharing these new pages!