Last edited by yoitisi; October 4th, 2008 at 07:24 PM.
cool, waiting spanish subs
Just watching it now. Thank you for posting this.
I'm always left feeling a little.... roused to action, yet not knowing the action to take.
Skeptical too, but always interested - y'know ?
Just finished watching it.... and agreed, its well worth sitting through it.
Last edited by ElleMadigan; October 4th, 2008 at 09:41 PM.
Just finished watching the whole video. It's a two hour sit, but definately worth it. I like the fact that they do not only point the finger to the ones responsible but also attempt to give a solution, which doesn't always happen in documentaries like this. Of course its a bit one-sided and doesn't always give all the facts, but that is inevitable I guess. The point they make is very strong in my opinion.
I have this question..... who is this person? Where did they come from ?
Nothing about him on wikipedia - though I suppose that makes sense. Hrmm.
Yeah, definately stunning.
A bit like declaring themselfes as the ultimate saviors, but they have a series of strong points.
Thanks a ton for sharing. Liked it even a lot better than the first movie.
Curious what their website will look like. It says on thezeitgeistmovent .com that it would launch Oktober 10th.
Yes. Kick ass.. you can go to the site and download the first movie and the second will be available soon. Yes. Kick ass.
The Project Venus part was awesome. The economy stuff is more or less review for me.
4000 MPH Mag Lev train? Completely possible without significant advances in technology: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/articl...tlantic-maglev
Only $175 Billion? That's it? $550 Billion on the Iraq war and we can't spare $175 Billion for a really awesome passenger train that goes 4000 MPH? Lame.
This movie was pretty neat because it more or less reinforced a lot of the ideas I had about how technology will change the way economy works.
If you don't know, 'zetta' is a ridiculously large number. 2000 ZJ is equivalent to (since big numbers are a lot of fun to type) 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. (1 Zetta = 1x10^21)
It's one of those numbers that's extremely difficult to put into perspective. Although a quick google actually kind of helps: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem03149.htm
Science rocks. I wish I did better in school.
Last edited by Gory; October 5th, 2008 at 04:54 AM.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful...
Thanks for the link!
A fascinating perspective.
Defenetly better then the first Zeitgeist movie, with more actual knowlege and proof, that wasnt really the case in the first one.
(23:41:52) (ArneLurk) I woner of there are people who have hairy penises
We all need to create art to spread the word of this, unless anyone can single handedly prove its bullshit before i go n make myself look like a fool.
Yeah this is much better than the first one. Thanks for the post. The second half of this about the venus project is amazing.
I'm actually amazed how this thread was rated 3 stars jsut now. Seems like people are biased because of the conspiracy stuff from the first movie.
how about we spread it in any way?We all need to create art to spread the word of this
and about the wikipedia thing, watch this
i simply find this mtv-styled spoonfeeding pathetically sad...not necessarily on account of the content, but on the medium required to actually get people's attention.
now, go dig up some info on your own and make up your -own- mind.
Squidmonk3j: I'm afraid the point you're trying to make here is eluding me. Are you against their point of view or against the medium they chose, or is it something else completely? I'm just curious here, since you've made some bold statements but so far I've seen little arguments or explenation for those, which makes it kind of hard to actually respond to you.
Also, in reverse order:
damn, wish i wasnt on dialup.
No laws, and no "idealistic materialism" (or something like that), "change your mind or else you are barbaric", the french revolution comes to mind when i see their "solution" is start from zero.
Anyway, they make the assumption that God is a set of rules, an institution, but God is not an institution or a religion or a set of rules, God is a beign, with things he likes and things that he doesnt like, and he is the greatest authority on the universe he created. When you think that God is just an excuse to materialism and control, then i guess that he could have a point, but he makes a false assumption to think that God wants this greedyness, caos and divisions in the world, this world will end though and God himself will do Justice to every human beign according to our deeds (just as a judge does justice to a criminal), the ones who had sinned (do wrong/evil) will be punished the ones who didnt wont. (did you ever steal, lie, blaspheme God, hated someone?, disobeyed your parents?, you are a sinner, you want to be forgiven?, seek Jesus Christ take the test in my signature to some bible verses.)
Also God is not a way to explain the world, creation is evident in the design of the universe. The bible is not a way to explain the world (the explanation of how the world was created is just the first chapter of the entire book, less that 0,1%), and it cannot have many interpretations, imagine if i pick any kind of book and open a page in the middle of the book, i can say "i think the author meant this" and other people can say that also because they lack the understading of what he meant because its a page of the middle of the book, what happens with the knowledge of the other halfs of the book?, its missed, the same happens with the bible, you cant just open a passage and interpret it at will, you must know God from all the rest of what he has said.
Well that my opinion...
I liked the concepts behind the 'Venus Project', but I found that it was missing a very essential component : diversity. His designs and visions are neat enough ( except those god-ugly vehicles, i'm sorry.... XP ) but I think that's where artists & designers would play a part. Within the guidelines of what technology needs to be present, imagine the things concept artsist, for example, could create! I mean... dream something up and it is made real ? Makes me drool a little bit......
Most of the film was good information, but 90% milk and 10% arsenic will still kill you. For god's sake, do at least some precursory fact checking and try to think critically.
I would like to say, in defense of the economic, scarcity based economic system, that it is a known, working system and an effective one with common sense regulation is possible when rent seeking is limited.
The first paragraph is him responding to the whole "viva la revolution" tone of the movie, and he compared it to the French revolution to show how ambitions of big change are likely to fail.
The Second paragraph is a definitional argument in defense of god. It doesn't really address the movie at all.
The third paragraph continues the tone as he tries to avoid a God of the Gaps argument. He also says the Bible is not up to interpretation and is to be taken completely literally. All this while offering no proof, incoherent logic and seriously taking the mike with syntax and grammar.
Take a deep breath, Christian. Relax. You've got a lot to absorb. You can justify your ideas later.
Last edited by Zaxser; October 6th, 2008 at 03:05 AM.
Christian223, lol whut?
"the ones who had sinned (do wrong/evil) will be punished the ones who didnt wont. (did you ever steal, lie, blaspheme God, hated someone?, disobeyed your parents?, you are a sinner, you want to be forgiven?, seek Jesus Christ take the test in my signature to some bible verses.)"
So everyone bar Christians will burn in hell... forever. That strikes me as a truely intelligent system worthy of The Master of the Universe.
I know thats how I'd run the show if I were said all powerful omnipresent force.
I mean, screw all the millions that have never even had access to Christian material, they're just fucked from word go. "Thats just tough titties folks!!"
Awesome.. I mean thats wicked, no really, good one.. thats totally resonable, fair and in no way a complete and utter farce deserved of serious redicule.
Such an understanding god whos created an equally understanding legion of understanding followers.
Who wants to join my new group. Its going to be called 'THE SEPARATISTS' Regardless of other philosophies ours will always be right and just generally better.
If you don't join it. Your screwed + infinity