I wouldn't take anything you say the wrong way as I know you'll have thought things through first.
I will be bouncing colours from one object to another, but at the moment I'm trying to keep them clean. I've made too many errors in the past by trying to unify too early. The dark wash is just a layer on the top and I'll work a fair bit before I've finished. Her skin is full of different colours already with orange, green and blue fighting it out in there. I was hoping that you'd see that her left side of her face was slightly scrunched up as she's sleeping. From the picture I've posted below (a close up) her nose needs a bit more moulding. Have you ever watched your children sleeping and seen just one corner of the mouth rise in a smile? That is what I'm going for in the face. I lowered the left eye a fair bit from the beginning to bring it into line, now you're going to make me think again - rats!
For the composition, there are additional elements to bring in that will make it more balanced. The points I'll look at and consider, as I do with every comment.
One of your characters above looks kinda stiff, you're committing the same mistake I was, or maybe I'm still committing it.
Just my preference but I actually like the closeup image a bit better than the scene , there isn't any of those other parts fighting for attention and it looks peaceful.
She does appear a little bruised, but I'm not sure if that's me being vain, or if it really is like that.
Wow, TASmith gave some great help and advice on the last page, thanks for that!
So I'm afraid I don't really have anything else to add, but I do think the last upadte is an impovement on the face!
I really like the figure drawings on the last page too, some good indication of light and form. Your lines are a bit messy, but as you've already identified that I'm sure you'll improve it in no time
Thanks agagin for the help in my sb, and your quite welcome to come by and nit pick whenever you wish!
Cool, I know I shouldn't have to worry about one of the clearest minds on CA. I was just going through Frank Cho's website (just found it), and I saw a great image that shows what I'm talking about with hair:
EDIT: Darn, the link takes you to image one in a series. Look at the seventh image - the sitting woman, inked.
It still reads as black hair, but wow.. And this applies no matter what style you're going for.
Last edited by TASmith; October 20th, 2009 at 08:42 AM.
Andres, I’m not sure which character you’re talking about. The Nibru is the only ‘character’ on that page and he’s supposed to be stiff as he’s a baron and most likely wearing a corset (men did in ye olde days).
Seagulls, I like the close up as well. I’m working on reducing the bruising. When the full composition is done I might change my mind. I’m trying to do an allegory of love and will probably fall flat on my face, but that’s all part of the learning progress.
Cheers Matt, always glad to know when one’s going in the right direction.
TAS, I really want her hair to be a mass of tumbling curls. I know about the ribbon technique and your linked picture had smooth hair. Don’t worry that I’m not listening, I am, just having to make decisions in my own way when I’m ready.
Okay, aligned the eyes a bit better, got rid of the 'bruising' and put some highlights in the hair.
I rotated the face to check the alignment of the eyes. At the moment I'm working on the other elements to bring the whole picture together. the table isn't finished, there are objects to be placed on it. Then there is the explosion of life that is coming.
Looks great so far!
For checking the alignment/symmetry, I find it easier to flip the canvas. I set it to a keyboard shortcut so I can flip and flip back quickly and easily (I dunno if you can do that in the program you're using; I use Photoshop).
For a crit, the elipses in the birdcage and the table need adjusted. Right now they are all the same shape, which should be impossible. The way elipses work in perspective is, the elipse that is sitting on the eye level line will appear to be a straight line, and the elipses will become wider as they move up and down from the eye level.
Here's a page from a drawing workbook I had to read in college that illustrates my point:
I think the eye level in your image would be around just under the top of her head or so, so this is how I would adjust your elipses based on that assumption.
On second thought I think the eye level is closer to the arm because of the perspective there, so maybe around the top of the face?
Thanks dierat, I was being very lazy with the bird cage. I actually have the viewer closer, almost voyeuristic. Re-did the cage and left the table as is. I hope it works better. The plate is on the napkin, so it is going to be off. I'm also posting a greyscale picture - the glass needs more highlights and the bottom of the napkin needs to be darker.
Last edited by Black Spot; October 24th, 2009 at 04:31 PM.
hey, interesting piece! the serene expression was nailed here, and that drapery is stunning @___@! I think though, that when you retouch, you should play a little with the hand--the pink looks a little plump at the base ;D also, just a suggestion and you probably meant it like this, but maybe you should add little candle-highlights, just to add a simple pop to the piece and give it a slightly more dramatic atmosphere? don't know. Anyway, such improvement in your sketchbook! I haven't been by in a while.
Last edited by Jaytea; October 24th, 2009 at 06:10 PM.
The birdcage looks a lot better I think. And the table will be fine. Just be sure that the ellipses that are close to each other (vertically speaking) are the same or it will be very noticeable to the audience. The little plate feels like it has a wider ellipse than the table, and the cup's upper ellipse is very narrow. An easy way to check is just copy/paste the table into a new layer, shrink it down and lay it on top of your plate or cup and adjust the drawing based on that. (Of course the ellipse for the top of the goblet will be narrower than the table; right now it feel slightly too narrow, but step back and use your best judgement.)
Last edited by dierat; October 24th, 2009 at 04:59 PM.
Stupid attachment didn't attach - sorted now.
Jaytea, candlelight is perfect. I wanted a soft lighting to keep the picture serene, so an odd flicker shouldn't be to obtrusive. I've thought about the pinkie before and might adjust it at the end. The hand is quite old fashioned at the moment and I sort of like it, but I know what you mean.
Dierat, I'll look at the glass again tomorrow and mess around with the ellipses. It's fun drawing from my imagination, and I know I'm going to get it wrong sometimes. It's funny that I told someone last week that they needed to practice their ellipses and now I've been hoisted by my own petard. I think it's the law of the internet - bit like correcting someone's grammar.
i like the last one....
but why dont you get the "final" values down? ha, probably thats a technique i dont know....
anyways, keep an eye on the light direction! the angle of the light changes from the face to the arm....uh.....i hope you get what i mean it comes from the left on the face and from above on the arm!
I don't paint in black and white and just check every now and then. Probably doing it the wrong way round, but I seem to like working that way at the moment - things may change next week, month, year. You can take a horse to water etc... Thing is I used to paint in values with oils, so I should know better. The thing with digital painting, it can be so fluid that I don't have to make my mind up as to what I'm doing until later, which might be a good or bad thing.
It is a little dark, the details are really good though. My eye tends to go straight towards the face, as I think both it and the hands are expressive.
The perspective Is looking really good and the right level. Love that symbolism with the bird cage, Its like there is just enough information to make a story with and I combine the pieces just like the death watch painting. I think this one is a bit stronger though.
Yeah what he said!
Thanks for dropping by my SB.
You are going at it again I see, I love how how much patience you have to work on the same piece from start to finish.
The values seem to be coming pretty nicely on this one, I think the shadow falling on the table leg from the top could be a bit larger because of the light.
Keep at it girl, you are rocking!
Your Battle of the Sexes came out nice, however, the picture frame on the dresser.
Perspective, on purpose? (It's not a supernatural reference is it)
Your pieces always have some story (sweet) and your squiggles always come out nice.
The snacks on the table is calling me right now. *drool*
Last but not least, what's the dealio with your animation bro, when am I going to see
(email if you need some Lightwave, Adobe After Effects, Adobe Premiere help)
Rotor, there are a ton of shadows that I've got to put in. I just upped the work by sticking a load more things in, but everyone will have to wait a bit for that.
Swardo, great to see you again. I;ll be back onto the animation soon. Just got an itch I have to scratch at the moment. Thanks for the offer, I may take you up on that. Now I just need an audio engineer.
Gave myself a bit of a break and messed around for half an hour with my imagination.
tobba I tried to reduce her hair but it just looked wrong.
seagulls I nicked the food from something I did earlier in the best Blue Peter tradition.
I've been practising faces ready for tomorrow with mixed results. I quite like these eyes - the bridge of the nose leaves a lot to be desired.
Too many or should there be more butterflies. I'll be working on those other points brought up soon. Please be patient.
1. keep an eye on the structure....just draw in some guidelines and youll see what i mean ^^.
2.the butterflies would probably look better if they were of different sizes and colors...dunno and id use them as a compostitional element! they look abit random placed right now....make them lead the viewers eye in the piece!
keep it up
I'm going to tone most of them down later, but it's self portrait day. About 3 hours from a mirror (I reversed it as well).
More butterflies: Some slightly larger ones, and some with depth of focus.
(Is it suppose to be dark? or such is the work-flow that always surprises me)
I love those eyes (posts 415, 417), like a vampire - or a rabbit?
I adore the Golden feel of 417.
*Puts a new dressing on your toes*
Stay cool Black Spot.
Love the portraits; you have such an interesting use of color.
For the butterflies, personally I think there are way too many. They feel like pests to me whereas if you had a couple of small groups, they would appear more precious. But that's just my personal response to the piece.