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lalovergel, Thanks man, i'm trying to make my muscles softer!
Thanks, Mr. Gadbury! I will keep fighting anatomy lol!
Eric Gerhard Pode deixar cara!
DoktorNo, its a she, i actually screwed the distance between her shoulders, so her arms ended up looking gigantic (well, even more than they already are)
Yeah, UnSharpened, I'm trying my best on the basics because i believe they will come handy later!
Sedig, Thanks! I will try to use this shading more often! About drawing where i spend my time, its a great idea man! I will try to do it and post here later! Thanks!
Jamesy, thanks! I hope to improve even more!
Thanks for the comments people!
Sorry about the lack of updates yesterday, CA was acting a little strange, and i was a little slow too.
For today, some Abs. Most of them from photos, some from anatomy drawings and books. i'm quite happy with some and quite unhappy with others... The top ones ended up looking better in my opinion, maybe because they were based on photos and not on medical drawings as the bottom ones were. The ribcages were done just for fun, someday i will have patience to draw them correctly! lol...
Some of them arent inked, i wanted to post some pencil work, since Eric asked for it. Maybe later i will ink it and try to shade some!
Hope they look ok! any crits welcome! Thanks!
Last edited by Carbono; January 21st, 2008 at 07:11 AM.
it seems that your proportions are getting better...
Keep on working....You'll get there!
Hi there. carbono. Thanks for coming to my critique post. I liked the abs post, if you keep it up, you'll be able to practice surgery in a couple of years (but don't try it , please hehehe). I just think you should start thinking about consistency in the way you draw, it almost seems like if you change your style for every piece. As always, keep it coming!
Hello again carbono, i can see progress here after my last post, very good job!
I would really like to see in future more pictures with whole body postures as some photo references , same stuff i am struggling right now...
MY SKETCHBOOK IN BIG LETTERS: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=116474
COMPLETE LIST OF THE FORGOTTEN SKETCHBOOKS: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post1992378
your getting better, you seem to have almost an obsession with shoulders and chests but that does not mean that you should stop drawing them. One thing you could do to help you improve is to draw very quick sketches 1 to 5 mins max from other photos or drawings in which you try to get the overall motion of the person. you could see my sketchbook to see what i mean (posts 35 and 51 is where i did what i mean) you could check my sketchbook anyways
Creatinity, Thanks, i really hope they get better!
lalovergel, haha! Dont worry i wont do surgery, i got some shaky hands! You're actually right, i didnt found yet my 'style', so i end up inking each piece quite unlike. I actually love different styles, maybe thats why i dont follow one, but i really liked that one you showed me, i can't wait to use it again!
Nettle_Mountain, Thanks! I actually need to go back and do more full body studies, keep tuned that most provably tomorrow i will come back to them!
lacadam, You're right, i love the chest area, i actually need to start drawing other parts too, i'm too focused on it i believe.
The idea of quick poses really look nice, and its something that i'm lacking practice on, i will really try to do it for the next times!
As for today, some more abs for your viewing pleasure, this time, girl abs, i wanted to portrait some range of abs, some with more fat, other with less, bigger bones... you got it
I posted two versions of each too, the sketch and the inked/shaded version, so i believe my inking mistakes will show better.
hi there Carbono. I browsed through your sb, and I see you are practicing a lot of anatomy, particularly in the torso department. As you suggested me, i can only tell you to keep practicing your fundamentals, it can only make you better. I really like the fact that you are exploring different styles, and that you are inking and rendering. I am, in myself, always afraid of adding new stuff, and i end up using the same all the time.
So, I can only tell you to keep practicing. I would certainly follow lacadam suggestion of drafting different poses. Never mind your style changes, its always good during exploration.
There is a bunch of hints you can get by following some good tutorials, and, as many in CA would approve, the loomis books are great for exploring different styles and areas. You can find them here.http://acid.noobgrinder.com/Loomis/
Keep them comming bud.
Thanks for the tip Carbono, i can finally change that title. I love this last exercise, looks like you are gaining much control over your drawings. As for the feedback regarding your style, I didn't mean you had to adopt one at once, but in your exploration, it's good to start taking into account all those details, to build all your skills at once, and not isolate them. To be clearer, with one drawing exercise you can practice more than one single aspect. The more thought you give to a higher number of details, the better your compositions will turn out. I just posted some new stuff, i'll be waiting for your thoughts, it's not anatomy though.
I really like the exploration of the different techniques you are using. Its always good to build up on the differnet styles in case the client wants it a certain way.
so yeah check out this guy.......
just another avenue of rendering if you wanan give it a try. Its fun, but difficult to pull off.
Utum Thanks for your comment man! I love the combination between inking and sketching because i can freely sketch without fear, i go around, draw, redraw, i believe it allows more 'learning', even if my inking is far from good!
Thanks for your recomendation about loomis too, i love him! I have all his books on my HD, i look at them everyday and did some practices from his books some days ago!
lalovergel, seeying your work is always a pleasure my friend. Actually you're right, i'm trying lately to do this, practice everything that i can from a single piece, but i believe sometimes i isolate it all too much! Thanks!
Flipnastywebby, hey man, thanks! I really try go around in all styles, in the future when i have a better knowledge of the basics, I really plan to go around doing some more 'advanced' styles studies. I believe this will come handy in the future!
And thanks for the link, Fellah style is awesome, it has a grittier and powerfull feeling to it, without any doubt things that i want to be able to emulate!
Here i'm. Following some advices i wanted to do 'quick figure studies' about 3 to 5 minutes each. Its a great exercise, i believe in the future i will try to do it with less time!
This is a pretty honest post i believe, my sketching has lots of scribbles and mistakes, I wanted to show how i do my stuff, because i believe this way mistakes will be easier to see. I'm not very happy with the inking, but, i believe its 'aceptable' (if not, please say)
On a side note, all my inking is done using this 'blue pen', but most of the time i simply desature it, this time i wanted to let it be as 'closely to the paper' as possible!
As always, any crit is welcomed. I love them!
Thanks for seeying!
I have no idea how you manage to update so frequently. Trying to manage daily updates is difficult, but twice a day? That's dedication. Your torsos are looking better and better.
On these last ones, I think that the pencil versions are stronger. They have a softness to them that seems to emulate life. When you inked them this softness was lost. Maybe try inking, and then going further by reproducing your shading with the pen. Show some more curvature of form.
Also, I think I'm going to get after you about that drawing of your living space. I really want to see it. Unless you really don't want to do it.
I like that you're using two different mediums (pencil and pen) to demonstrate the same subject matter. There is much that can be learned from doing that. You can take the concept even further, though. Try using your pencil to define light and shadow (and therefore your tones) with the pencil more so than simply reiterating the lines your already doing with the pen. In contrast, use your pen to define shape and edge on the subject matter.
What I'm really trying to say is
Penic: Define shape with tone: highlights-midtones-darks. Use no lines, but instead use shading to represent your volumes.
Pen: Define shapes with line (think about line weight).
great studies, i envy your determination, i will never be able to do this many studies without trying to strangle the closest person walking by xD
Eric Gerhard, Valeu cara! Abração!
Sedig, I have lots of free time in my day, so, lots of time to update my sketchbook! You're right, i should try to ink and shade my stuff, for my next update I will post an inked + shaded version of these ladies!
And about my room study, dont worry, its already done! I will post later!
Odin_052, thanks for the tip man, on my next update i will post the results! About my line weight i still need to study it a little more, right now i dont have much experience about it!
Lotet, I actually love to do these studies! I know most of people find doing them boring, but i simply love playing around with all the shapes of the human body! Thanks for your comment!
As for today, a girl that i did yesterday (but didnt posted). In this 'weekly' masochism post, i tried to color her using the mouse.
I still need centuries of practice with my coloring, but i plan to practice it after i get the basics down.
Thanks y'all for seeying, and for the comments!
As promised, here are some of the girls i posted yesterday in their shaded forms, i tried to use the pencil to shade and the pen to do the linework. I did each on in a different style to keep things interesting.
Any crit or comment is welcome!
Good morning people, here i'm with another study.
This one is a special one, its done for my friend Sedig. Its a free hand room study, i basically draw the most important objects of my room, where i expend most of my time.
I wanted to keep it freely, sketchy, let the forms flow on the paper, do and redo... It was very fun, next time i will try to draw some outside nature. Spiders and little trees that i have on the outside of my house.
Thanks for seeying!
It's great that you are so willing to try something outside of your comfort zone. The shaded torsos show progress- you are getting better at representing form. I also suggest that you try, like Odin_052 suggested, to experiment with line weight. Just try messing around, making some lines thicker, some darker, some thinnner, others lighter. See what comes out of it. Aim to produce something visually interesting.
Also, I'm glad that you did the study of your room. Way to be. You said you had fun, so do it again. And again. And again. Maybe try showing an entire wall or corner. Show us where in your room your desk sits, or where it is in relation to the chair. I think that good things will come out of it.
Drawing from nature will be another change, and I am anxious to see what you produce. Keep up these studies.
hey carbono, lots of new stuff i see! Your body studies are getting a lot better, and the colored female torso is looking good. As for your room drawings, keep at it, it's important to draw anything, just check some perspective definitions so you can apply it and give a more accurate look. Nice to see you are updating twice a day, i wish i had so much dedication. Keep the good work!
Edit: I forgot the most important thing, why don't you try drawing things far and near, drawing the nearer ones with thicker lines and strong shading, while giving the far ones light lines, lite shading and low definition...let's see what happens.
Sedig, glad you like them man. Its always good to try new things, it is surely a funny experience, And i've been playing around lately with my line weight, its far from good, but, its a progress!
lalovergel, thanks man, i really need to practice some perspective, next time i will surely use it! And the idea of trying things closer with a thicker line is pretty cool, i will try it in my next 'place study'.
Thanks y'all for the nice comments, i sure missed this place while it was down. In this post some studies.
Abs and arms and the upper part of the body, some from anatomy drawings, some from photos, and some from my imagination.
Thank's y'all for seeying!
The site seems to be back up for now, which is good, just like these studies. Keep it up, and give us some more life stuff.
Thanks for your advice
Seeing you do all those studies is very inspiring, I'll do more studies too.
I think there is a lot of improvement from your first post to here.
Are you also trying to draw really big? I use A2 paper for my life drawings. It feels very different from drawing on A4 paper, because you put the movement of your entire arm or even entire body into the line, it feels somehow like doing martial arts for me.
Also you might try drawing with only shadows and light, with no lines at all, just mark lightly where the basic forms go and then fill the planes.
And also use different pencils: draw the general forms ((spine, ribcage, pelvis, skull, arms, legs) while thinking of proportions and stuff) with hard pencils, and then use softer pencils(up to 8B) when going into details and shadows. Try drawing with charcoal pencils too, you can make really nice lines and shadows with them.
Oh, here are nice tutorials for pencil drawing: www.drawspace.com
Also draw more from life, try to get your work look more 3 dimensional. I think it looks a bit flat, maybe it's because of the lines. If you don't have a model draw yourself in the mirror, draw your hands, feet, selfportraits. Draw also just different simple objects on your table, like your cup or some fruits, try to make them look 3D with light and shadow.
I like how you try different styles and draw different poses (try to draw more from different perspectives and light coming from different direction each time) and I like that you start drawing your room and things outside too, continue like that
I'd also like to see more complete people, with head, hands and feet and maybe a bit of the floor they are standing on.
I hope you can take something useful from my post here, my English needs some work too.
caraca! que diversidade!! eu treino anatomia ..mas nem tanto!
me refiro em exato a variedade de corpos que você faz!
boa referência, e alivio por encontrar brasileiros!
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You are really diligent in your life studies! They are looking good.
The painted female torso a few posts up is looking really good; great job with the texture/form/lighting.
As far as suggestions go, I'd say get into drawing the human figure in its entirety, to get the overall movement/ form/ proportions of the human body down, as well as where the muscles overlap and connect, and how they work together. Gestures and such! It would really progress things.
Keep them coming! They get better and better with each post.
I'm gonna have to beg you to slow down so that i can catch up, hehehe. God, there is a lot going on every time you post. Your consistency really makes up for any deficiency you may have, and will, for sure, allow you to overcome it.
As an exercise, you should try to draw a whole body, this time take a measure (the head is always prefered) and measure every single part you draw, taking care of proportions. By repeating it you will get an idea of how a body should look, and on time, get it right without having to measure. Don't worry about little imperfections, for imperfections are what make us. Some of us have shorter legs, some longer arms, some bigger heads, some smaller noses, remember there is no perfect model for a human, just proportion standards to follow. I went off the topic a little, i would really enjoy to see some carefully thought studies, not just as practice, but as an excercise where observation takes longer than the rendering. as they say: "measure once so you don't have to cut twice," Push your observation skills as far as you can and use that observation to gain valuable knowledge rather than just making a study for practice, for the practice is necessary,but knowledge is priceless.
Note: by measuring i mean, not only that the body is 8 heads tall (7 1/2 for common people, 9 for heroic) but how many heads is the forearm long, how many heads a leg, and the distance from the end of one shoulder, to the end of the other one. All measures in function of your reference point.
I hope i'm not being too intrusive in your work, but i feel the need to propose this kind of exercise, to try to help you see what you might be capable of, but not knowing it because of diferent kinds of constraints.
By the way, I'm from colombia, so we are not from places too far away!
I'll be waiting for your next post, don't hesitate!
Sedig Yeah, finally the site is ok! I missed browsing the sketchbooks! I will do soon more life studies, they are fun!
Leysan, hey there! Thanks for all your advices, i'm trying to draw bigger than i used to (since i drawed almost at microscopic proportions lol), but not as big as a a2 paper. I really will try someday doing a full page drawing, full of details and such!
Thanks for all the other tips too, and your english is fine!
Raqsonu, eu adoro anatomia, me divirto horrores uhauhauha. São tantas linhas e curvas e etc, tudo tão incerto.
Discoskull, i agree with you, i'm being a little coward in not doing full bodies. Your advice and Lalo's one really fit together, i should start getting some proportions down and doing the full figure. Thanks for your comment about my improvements!
lalovergel, Actually lately i've been slowing a little down lol. About your advices its always good to hear them! I love it.
You're right, i've never really measured the figure or did a real, indepth, anatomy study. I will follow your advice and do one soon, i'm actually needing it!
Thanks y'all for your nice comments. Sorry about the 'lack' of updates, i've been doing heads for toribash (128x128 textures that go on spheres), its a nice practice for my 'concept' muscle. When i'm 'tired' of doing them i will post them all here.
As for the start of the day, today, i will post some nose studies. I love noses, i've drawn them since forever.
All from photos and done with the mechanical pencil. Hope they are better than the last ones! Thanks!
I missed this update somehow. Can you further explain toribash?
Also, these noses seem fine to me. However, an individual nose on a page isn't going to teach us a lot. Try placing that nose on a face, or better yet the whole head. It will lead to much more learning and much faster improvement.
One of the things that has help me alot in addition to the anatomy study is doing gestures. If you really want to frustrate yourself do gestures of people that are moving. It helps quite a bit though. As long as you are practicing you will improve.
My sketchbooks. Don't be nice. Be honest.
My main Sketchbook!
Thanks Sedig and Donovan. I already started doing gestures (and drawing over them) and full bodies as you advised me to.
Sedig, you can see more about toribash here: www.toribash.com
Its a fighting game, by turns, where you select your character joints and extend or contract them, so, basically, you go on creating your own moves.
Well, after some days without updating, here i'm!
Here are some pretty lame studies, all in mechanical pencil. All the bodies from reference. I chose some pretty hard studies to do, full bodies, crazy poses, all in all, i believe we only grow when we look far. So, while these studies fail very much, they are the first step into trying to evolve my skills.
Sorry about the lack of inking, but since i'm not very happy with them, i don't see point in inking it.
I have some more 'old' stuff, from the last days, but i will leave it to a next update!
well, i was scared. where was carbono!
These studies are looking fine, but to be sincere, the only one that catches my eye is the male half torso on the upper left corner. I'll be waiting to check your gestures and new stuff.